Request to fight fire was denied (Sour Biscuit Fire, California)

The Daily Triplicate, Crescent City, California ^ | 16 August 2002 | Kent Gray, Daily Triplicate staff writer

[madfly]

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[AuntB]

Bump!!!! Smoke is not as heavy today, I can actually see blue sky. The Antelope fire is reported to have a containment line all around it now.

[headsonpikes]

Stop Rural Cleansing!

[cake_crumb]

I disagree, especially when it comes to professional forefighters. Professional firefighters are soldiers. They fight pitched battles against an implacable enemy which cannot be injured and cannot be intimidated.

They depend on close cooperation because they will otherwise die.

They are so similar to the military, I'd like to see them turned into an arm of the National Guard. They would be better off, nd wouldn't be subject to fresh-out-of-college, snot nose kids who assume their piece of paper makes them the boss.

These treehugger wannabes are the equivilant of enemy infiltrators. They are the monkey wrench in the gears, the gum in the works. Not the professionals. There is a distinction. When the professionals are allowed the breathing space and freedom to make their own decisions, the different agencies are more than capable of operating with military precision. They have for years, and petty bureaucratic snafus like this one tend to give EVERYONE an undeserved bad name.

[cake_crumb]

"Smoke is not as heavy today, I can actually see blue sky. The Antelope fire is reported to have a containment line all around it now."

Good news BUMP!! Let's hope conditions don't change and the Antelope fire STAYS behind the containment line.

[E.G.C.]

BTTT!!!!!

[tubebender]

There is a new fire on the Hoopa Valley Indian Reservation. It is the 250th fire set up there this year. Has been going on for years and usually just burns the underbrush. It was at 400 acres last nite. Please don't turn this into a bashing thread as the indians did this burning every year before the great white father starting puttting out every fire they came across and the brush accumulated to the conditions of today.

[aruanan]

Why is it that management thinks it knows better than the people who actually do the work whether or not the work can be done? I've seen this phenomenon both in industry and in education. Now, it may be true that management would know better than the ones who actually do the work whether one way versus another will cost more, but how much has this fire cost beyond what it would have cost to maybe put it out at the less than 100 acre stage?

[B4Ranch]

Probably in excess of 50 million dollars. The last cost I read was 52 million.

[cake_crumb]

You are way oversimplifying. Brush does not accumulate like that due to fire suppression. It accumulates like that due to a lack of intelligent management. I believe you are trying to use the leftist "white guilt" race card to further your own agenda. It won't work.

Native Americans interacted INTENSLY with their environment. As a hunter gatherer culture, rather than an agriculturally based one, they simply interacted differently.

There was no reason for you to post what you did except for agenda politics. "Fire good. Loggers BAD."

We're not having any of it any more. You leftists were in control for thirty years. Your policies failed. Your views are irrelevant. The adults will now take charge.

[Grampa Dave]

You are correct in that management in industry is often as bad as management in government.

We used to see smart and capable young people promoted in our company. If they went to the home office, in 3 months they hated the sales staff, the customers and spouted the insider mantras. The good field managers if they survived the first couple of years of field management became real supporters of the good sales reps and customers. This often made the home office nervous and these managers often would be harrassed into resigning to go back to being sales reps or leaving the company or into taking promotion into the home office to become a corporate Borg.

[Democratic_Machiavelli]

Amazing. This makes me so mad! URH!!

BTW it says in this article that this fire has reached almost 400,000 acres. Last I heard of the total damage in Oregon, it was the same as this fire alone. Does this mean that over 800,000 acres have burned so far in Oregon?

[aruanan]

Thanks, guys

[WaterDragon]

More firenews:

Boulder Fire now surging northwest

Tiller - Fiery fingers from the Boulder Fire poked their way into the North Umpqua Ranger District today, pulling firefighters further north into the Umpqua National Fores.

About 110 firefighters are now camping at Cavitt Creek, about five miles southeast of Glide. The central ring of fire in the now 48,000-acre Tiller Complex, including Boulder, Sadie and Boy Creek fires has grown. After mapping and overflights on Wednesday, at least 3,120 acres of additional burn were identified...(snip)

Officials hope to keep the fire away from private property in the lower Dumont Creek area near Tiller and in the patchwork of private and government properties southeast of Glide near the headwaters of Cavitt and Wolf Creeks...(snip)

Click here for complete story. These fires all over just keep growing!

[blackie]

It's very smoky here today !!

Stop the attacks by the wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

[WaterDragon]

I've been reading the daily and weekly newspapers from around the state this afternoon. There have been a LOT of smaller fires, 50 to 500 acres, around the state, in some cases burning down homes and out-buildings as well as forest land. The gorge area has been hard hit.

Makes me just curse those arrogant, ignorant, self-satisfied Left-wing Democrats and their environmentalist destroyers!

[blackie]

Amen !!

Stop the attacks by the bureaucrats and wacko, extreme left-wing, enviro-nazis terrorist's on our Freedoms !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

[PhiKapMom]

Am with you on purging the Government. This lifetime appointment even if incompetent needs to go. Another thing that needs to go is taking someone on a political appointment and making them permanent civil service as clinton did! I could rant all night about incompetent civil service employees that need to be fired but it takes several years to do it! All the time they draw full pay and are pains in the neck!

[2sheep]

Operational Significant Event Imagery - pictures of fire from space

A really big pic. Click to go there.

[2sheep]

KATU TV News - New fire reported in Mount Jefferson Wilderness 
August 15, 2002

DETROIT - The Forest Service is reporting a new wildfire in the Mount Jefferson* Wilderness north of Marion Lake and Three Fingered Jack .

The fire is reported today at about 100 acres.  Officials don't know the cause but say it could be a holdover from the lightning storm that moved through the area two weeks ago. A lookout at Black Butte Ranch reported the fire.

Fire officials have ordered a firefighting team, and said they expect intense fire behavior throughout the day, with high winds and hot, dry conditions.

*Jefferson* ~~~ There goes the Constitution!

**Black Butte ~~~ Formerly known for black lava or obsidian, I'm sure.

N.B.  There is a place in Israel, Capernaum on the shores of Lake Galilee, where the L~rd cursed the rocks because the people would not hear.  Hear in Hebrew is shema: "hear/obey/understand."  In English hear means "to perceive sound"].  To this day, the rocks are still black.  Other rocks in the area are gray.

Mt 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.