Request to fight fire was denied (Sour Biscuit Fire, California)

The Daily Triplicate, Crescent City, California ^ | 16 August 2002 | Kent Gray, Daily Triplicate staff writer

[Grampa Dave]

Rumors about this refusal have surfacing for weeks.

The Kali Floristry Circus Clowns posing as Forestry Service People have a lot of questions to answer with this revelation.

This is the same Bravo Sierra stuff that Lars Larson discussed with the owner of the Helicopter Service chartered to fight the fires in SW Oregon.

It appears that the Floristry Circus Clowns posing as foresters, really love the rural cleansing effect of natural fires!

[Grampa Dave]

I had a feeling that this had happened in the early stages of this fire.

If this fire had been stopped or controlled in that first day, the two fires wouldn't have merged.

The Green Jihadists working in the Forestry Service are truly dangerous people whom need to be fired and drummed out of the service. They plant lynx hairs, lie about spotted owls and prevent STAT fire controlling. They are dangerous to those who live around any forest.

[Grampa Dave]

If this fire had been stopped or controlled in that first day, the two fires wouldn't have merged.

The Green Jihadists working in the Forestry Service are truly dangerous people whom need to be fired and drummed out of the service. They plant lynx hairs, lie about spotted owls and prevent STAT fire controlling. They are dangerous to those who live around any forest.

[Grampa Dave]

If this fire had been stopped or controlled in that first day, the two fires wouldn't have merged.

The Green Jihadists working in the Forestry Service are truly dangerous people whom need to be fired and drummed out of the service. They plant lynx hairs, lie about spotted owls and prevent STAT fire controlling. They are dangerous to those who live around any forest.

[EBUCK]

They are dangerous to those who live around any forest.

That means they are dangerous to just about everyone in the Northwest! The madness must cease!!!

EBUCK

[Grampa Dave]

Lets say that they are dangerous to anyone west of the big M River at a minimum.

This happened in Kali, which is not technically the NW.

However, it certainly has had a terrible impact on those living in Curry and Josephine Counties in SW Oregon. Then the smoke has impacted innocents in Grants Pass, Medford and the Klamath Basin. The no so innocents in Ashland have been smoked too. Since they are smoked all the time, most couldn't tell the difference.

[First_Salute]

The federal government fights fires with "the dialog."

It's the process that matters, and only the devine processors are qualified to make and implement policies and procedures by which only they will "do something about it."

We, on the other hand, are to fulfill what is expected of us:

On election day, show up and vote. Otherwise, leave "the nation's business" to the like-minded, politically correct, echo-chamber ensemblies.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Government incompetence is ugly!

[Species8472]

Why am I not suprised? The forest service (no there is an oxymoron) needs to be purged!

[Grampa Dave]

Absolutely, this invisible control of the Federal Government must be stopped.

The first place to stop it is at the ballot boxes this November. We need to enlarge our control of the house and "fire" several of Da$$hole's clymers running for re election this November.

Then this whole federal nightmare of Rat career employees controlling agendas and causing situations like this can be addressed.

[cake_crumb]

"Galloway said his reports mention no managers' names or offices where the decisions originated from."

The managers in their offices are a HUGE part of the problem. They go to college for four years and are indoctrinated into the left-wing socialist school of Geaia, then they think they know more tabout forestry than the guys with years of field experience. It's the same all over the country, and the entire USFS needs to THIN OUT these morons. They do almost nothing but damage.

In NY State, Hubby's doing a difficult job on a steep side hill, which was started and abandoned by someone else. The mistakes made by the guys who started and quit have made a difficult job into a real nightmare to a guy with twenty years of forestry experience.

Along comes this rep from the Western NY office of the USFS. Hubby described him as a "snot nosed brat" who looked about 14. Snot Nose proceded to lecture Hubby, a former Hotshot, on how to prevent forest fires. Hubby tried to take it in good grace...until Snot Nose seemed skeptical about Hubby's many certifications.

It turned into an argument, though Hubby did get to meet Snot Nose's boss...another former firefighter who was at Yellowstone with Hubby.

Snot Nose didn't take it well...he went back to his office and proceded to call the DEC and tell them there was dirt and bark on the bridge across the creek, and that they should some out and look and make Hubby get out with a broom and sweep the debris off the bridge after every single trip, because rain might wash the dirt and bark from the bridge and "contaminate his river"...as if dirt and debris from a steep hillside has never washed into the river.

The DEC did come...they also told Hubby who had called and said Snot Nose has done this before. They did NOT make him weep off the bridge after every trip across.

These morons are everywhere...and they need to be FIRED. PERIOD.

[Pompah]

Government incompetence is ugly.
And omnipresent as well.

[Grampa Dave]

What we need is a change in the laws to allow the purging of all government departments.

The good retired people like you could lead the way in pointing out who needs to be fired, purged, early retired and in some case criminal charges filed against them.

The solution is a three part one:

1. We must increase our leadership in the house and then defeat enough of Da$$hole's clymers in the Senate who are running for re election to control the Senate.
2. As soon as Congress is sworn in, the house needs to pass a bill that requires every federal worker over GS7 to submit their resignations to each new president. If he wants to fire them, he asks them to leave. Each resignation letter is valid for his 4 years. (Since GW will be at the half way point, all above gs7 submit their letters of resignation immediately and they are good until Jan 2005.)
3. The senate approves the bill in a quick one day show down vote. GW signs the bill that evening in the White House on national TV. Then he starts to immediately clean house with resignations from State, to Defense, to FBI, to CIA, to Justice, EPA, and of course US Forestry service, blm and other areas that the Green Jihadist controll as a hidden government. Of course don't forget the IRS and Treasury department in this cleansing.

[cake_crumb]

Good plan. Also the only way these federal employees can be got rid of.

[EBUCK]

In the Marines we called them Butter-Bars or UAH's (Useless A$$Holes, not to be confused with HUA, Head Up A$$ nor NUG, New Useless Guy).

EBUCK

[WaterDragon]

We cannot let them successfully cover up the Democrats and bureaucrats ineptitude and unconcern for these fires. Kitzhaber is demanding tons more federal money. That is the Democrat response to every problem THEY create!

New fire reported in Mount Jefferson Wilderness

Detroit - The Forest Service is reporting a new wildfire in the Mount Jefferson Wilderness north of Marion Lake and Three Fingered Jack. The fire is reported today at about 100 acres. Officials don't know the cause...(snip)LINK to story

Biscuit Fire forces evacuation of Oak Flats.

Grants Pass - Residents of about 30 homes south of Agness were ordered to evacuate Thursday evening as Biscuit Fire flames came within a mile of the neighborhoods of Oak Flats and Spud Road...(snip)

Link to story

[calawah98]

I got the bumper stickers yesterday, they are really neat. Now to passing them out, which won't be a problem, know a lot that would like to have one. Thanks

I seen on the news last nite, another fire close to Lake Chelan, the Naches fire is going strong. They expected winds with gust up to 30 miles an hr last nite. Did'nt catch the news this morning to see how things were going, but looks like Washington will follow Oregon. It sickens me to see all the waste, when all that raw material could have been put to use.
Have beans to can, so will get off here, had to check out how the fires were doing down there.

[EBUCK]

Yup, you WA folks are in the same boat. Glad you like them stickers. Any and all suggestions for a future run will be noted so if you've got 'em post 'em.

EBUCK

[cake_crumb]

"In the Marines we called them Butter-Bars or UAH's (Useless A$$Holes, not to be confused with HUA, Head Up A$$ nor NUG, New Useless Guy)."

LOL, I'd say he's more the HUA type until he gets some actual field experience under his belt...then he will progress to a UAH.

The whole fedgov, especially Forestry, Natural Resources and the EPA are LOUSY with them. They have no idea what they are doing or talking about...they're nothing more than overpaid red tape jockeys. They need to be gotten rid of before they literally destroy this country.

[B4Ranch]

I heard this rumor a couple of weeks ago and dismissed it.

Coordination is an unheard of, unpracticed, unsuccessful technique when initiated amongst federal agencies. Their qualifications for success are so far below private levels that we call them 'A Complete Failure".

I wonder who is going to manage the sewage spouted at this late September meeting? Why hasn't the EPA been notified?

The fires won't be out by then so I view this as a chance to get their lies in line to cover their sorry asses when the final investigation comes. Someone is going to want to know why they spent $100 million dollars when it could have been done for $10,000.