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Bush, Daschle Spar over Homeland Security Agency (Bush want freedom to fire government employees )
Reuters ^ | August 15, 2002 | By Arshad Mohammed

Posted on 08/15/2002 1:15:26 PM PDT by USA21

MOUNT RUSHMORE NATIONAL MEMORIAL, S.D. (Reuters) - President Bush accused the Democratic-led Senate on Thursday of tying the hands of his proposed Homeland Security Department while Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said the U.S. president was seeking "dictatorial powers" over the agency.

With the stern granite faces of four presidents gazing down from the Mount Rushmore monument, Bush suggested the Senate was placing dangerous limits on his ability to protect the nation through the planned 170,000-strong agency whose creation he proposed after the Sept. 11 attacks.

"I need the flexibility to be able to look at the American people and say we're doing everything we can to protect the homeland against an enemy that hates us," Bush said forcefully to an audience that included Daschle.

Daschle, who stood listening with his hands folded in front of him as Bush spoke, later accused the president of seeking "dictatorial powers," particularly in the freedom to fire government employees and the right to move money around the government without congressional approval.

The South Dakota Democrat told reporters that Senate Democrats did not want to "give this president or any president the dictatorial powers that I think compromise the checks and balances that our founding fathers recognized."

Asked what he meant, Daschle replied: "The ability to fire an employee on the spot. The ability to move resources without any congressional approval from one agency or another. Those are powers that no president has had and we don't think this one should have them either."

The Republicans and Democrats are sparring over the protections the proposed department's employees would enjoy and the administration's ability to move money around in its effort to prevent further attacks on the United States.

Bush also used his visit to the 60-foot (18 meter) busts of Presidents George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and Abraham Lincoln carved into Mount Rushmore to promote Rep. John Thune of South Dakota, a fellow Republican running in a tight race for the Senate in the Nov. 5 election.

The president hopes Thune will beat Sen. Tim Johnson, who also attended the speech, helping the Republicans retake the Senate and tossing Daschle from the majority leader's office.

"I appreciate you leadership and your friendship," Bush told Thune at the start of his speech.

Control of the Senate is vital to Bush's policies. The Republican-led House of Representatives approved legislation to create a Homeland Security Department to Bush's liking but the Senate has yet to do so and a version approved by committee does not provide many of the powers Bush wants.

Democrats support merging all or parts of 22 federal agencies into a single department to better protect the nation after the Sept. 11 attacks, but they argue Bush's plan will gut the union and civil service rights of government workers.

In his speech, Bush said the Senate's homeland security bill would take away an authority held by every president since Jimmy Carter to exempt agencies from collective bargaining requirements if this were in the national security interest.

He also said it would impose bureaucratic rules that would slow down hiring people for the new department, would make it difficult to reward them with bonuses for good work and prevent the government from moving money around to fight new threats.

While saying Congress was making some progress on the legislation, Bush said: "I'm a little worried about some of the noise I hear. I don't want our hands tied so we cannot do the number one job you expect, which is to protect the homeland."

After a two-day Midwestern swing in which he raised money for Republicans in Wisconsin and Iowa, Bush returns to his Crawford, Texas, ranch on Thursday to resume his four-week working vacation that included this week's Waco economic summit. He returns to Washington around Labor Day on Sept. 2.


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KEYWORDS: agency; daschlesanidiot; homeland; security
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1 posted on 08/15/2002 1:15:26 PM PDT by USA21
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To: USA21; xm177e2; mercy; Wait4Truth; hole_n_one; GretchenEE; Clinton's a rapist; buffyt; ladyinred; ..


2 posted on 08/15/2002 1:24:45 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: USA21
Thanks for posting.
3 posted on 08/15/2002 1:24:59 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: USA21
The ability to move resources without any congressional approval from one agency or another. Those are powers that no president has had and we don't think this one should have them either."

Liar...Appropriations law has provisions for appropriation transfer authority.

4 posted on 08/15/2002 1:25:11 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter
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To: USA21
Maybe no president, but certainly the wife of one (Travelgate).
5 posted on 08/15/2002 1:26:05 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ThePythonicCow
All Bush is asking for is the civil service exemptions that the CIA, NSA, and FBI employees submit to.
6 posted on 08/15/2002 1:28:15 PM PDT by The Vast Right Wing
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To: JohnHuang2
Thanks for the ping. And I would say the 'gloves' are off. What GREAT comments to make to an audience with both Johnson and Daschle standing right there. HOOOOO-RAY!!!
7 posted on 08/15/2002 1:32:31 PM PDT by justshe
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To: USA21
Government employees DO NOT deserve special rights or protections!No one in the real world has this kind of special treatment and if these government employees cannot or will not do their job,FIRE EM!
8 posted on 08/15/2002 1:33:03 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: USA21
Bush, Daschle Spar over Homeland Security Agency (Bush want freedom to fire government employees )"

Ya know that right there would be a damned good reason to become president...

My Speech at the Innaguration would go something like this:

My fellow Americans my first official act as President of the United States of America is to cut the fat; no I am not talking to you Mr. Naddler; no I am now sending everyone that is employed in the Federal Government home unless they have a Job which is speficically addressed in the Constitution...

I would Like to be the first to say a fond farewell to all you people in the DOE and the IRS...

Don't let the door hit'cha where the Good Lord split'cha...

Damn that makes me feel tingly all over!!!!

9 posted on 08/15/2002 1:37:57 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg
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To: USA21
Someone PLEASE tell me how Clinton et al managed to fire everyone!! Like all the US Attorneys and when they couldn't do that they just "Billy Dale'd" them. If we don't get rid of some of these career politico's in the USFS and other agencies, we might as well just put on the Burka. Oh, and Daschle can go straight to hell.:<)
10 posted on 08/15/2002 1:38:08 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: USA21
Daschle acts against the interests of America and her defense every chance he gets.

Daschle is the victory-less but hungry Napoleon of the Senate, casting his eye on all of America to dominate her, the thousand cords of Lilliput, the warped snag creating the logjam, the Senatorial overdose of Legislative FiberCon that gums up the workings of government to build his own Empire of Offscoured Ideas and Obstructions to Public Safety.

Dear God, get him out of the way.
11 posted on 08/15/2002 1:39:29 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: justshe
You're quite welcome =^)

I would say the 'gloves' are off. What GREAT comments to make to an audience with both Johnson and Daschle standing right there. HOOOOO-RAY!!!

Bump!

12 posted on 08/15/2002 1:39:39 PM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: RJayneJ
I'd like to nominate the middle paragraph in post #11 for your QOTD. Normally I wouldn't do that but daschle needs to be thwomped.
13 posted on 08/15/2002 1:41:32 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Liar...Appropriations law has provisions for appropriation transfer authority.

Exactly. And Daschle knows that, he's just hoping that the press and the public don't know that so he can continue to call Bush a "dictator".

If Bush is a dictator, I wish he'd jail Daschle.

14 posted on 08/15/2002 1:42:26 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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To: JohnHuang2
I watched the President's speech today and he was ON FIRE!! I think having little Tommy in the audience inspired him. If his speech is posted later on the whitehouse site, it should be a good read - not as good as hearing him - but good. I felt I was finally seeing some tougher language.
15 posted on 08/15/2002 1:42:32 PM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: USA21
Asked what he meant, Daschle replied: "The ability to fire an employee on the spot..."

If I screw up at work, I know I can and will be canned. I'm guessing that the vast majority of the people reading this are in the same situation. When did that become a bad thing? Why the hell should these tax-sucking n'aer-do-wells have job protection that the majority of Americans neither enjoy themselves or wish of their public servants?
16 posted on 08/15/2002 1:43:58 PM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: JohnHuang2
BTW - John, I received a non-form thank you from GOPUSA for one of your "2 Cents" articles I sent them. I'll watch to see if they publish it.

Also on today's GOPUSA email issue, I was surprised to see my response to the RNC's response to Terry McAwful's latest round of lies. My only regret is that I didn't sign as a FREEPER!!

Also, yesterday I was filling out the RNC questionnaire and when asked where I get my news, I checked internet and wrote in FREEREPUBLIC.COM. Need to let them know what they should be reading.

17 posted on 08/15/2002 1:47:05 PM PDT by Elkiejg
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To: USA21
I don't like Daschle one bit, but he's right on this one. Bush is attempting to set up a consolidated super-agency that he will have complete control over and which cannot be checked by any other gov't agency. Not that I oppose firing most government employees, but giving the president sole authority over whom to hire and fire in such an important agency is a bad idea. Daschle is using this issue for political gain, but as they say about the broken clock being right twice a day...
18 posted on 08/15/2002 1:48:04 PM PDT by billybudd
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To: Numbers Guy; JohnHuang2
It may be hopeless. Look what happened in New Jersey:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/733578/posts

Head of the state's Homeland Security wasn't a U.S. citizen , had no law enforcement background and could not get a security clearance.

He supposedly resigned but you can bet he is still around somewhere. Democrats are going to do this all over the country. Political hacks tied to big money donors will run the show.

19 posted on 08/15/2002 1:54:24 PM PDT by LarryLied
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To: billybudd
I do believe Bush is watching the fiasco at our airports and using that as a very worthy gauge of how this department needs to be handled.

Bush wouldn't be consumed daily with doing the hiring and firing personally. It would be delegated with clear guidelines, and the more difficult cases brought to his desk.

Daschle's bleeding over all the layabouts on the government payroll who won't vote for dems if this shocking idea of personal accountability spreads to other agencies.
20 posted on 08/15/2002 1:56:13 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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