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US Planned To Drop An Atomic Bomb On Europe During WWII
The Memory Hole ^ | August 10, 2002

Posted on 08/10/2002 3:43:33 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest

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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Nazi Germany was ALWAYS the primary target for first use of the atomic bomb. The fact that they crumbled before we had a tested version of the weapon available was a matter of circumstances, not of strategy. But the Japanese made an excellent alternative target of opportunity.

And say, wasn't that a MOST satisfying reprisal for the bombing of Pearl Harbor? Now if we could deliver something as equally rewarding for the events of September 11, 2001....

21 posted on 08/10/2002 4:11:48 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Thus, we don't know which city was to be targeted (presumably it was a German one) or why the plan wasn't carried out.

Uh, maybe it was because the Germans surrendered before the bomb was perfected. I suppose we could have gone ahead and dropped it anyway, but think of the bad press.

22 posted on 08/10/2002 4:13:34 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: gitmo
"It's probably too late now, right?"

Priceless.

23 posted on 08/10/2002 4:17:27 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: *History_list
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24 posted on 08/10/2002 4:17:40 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: alloysteel
Nazi Germany was ALWAYS the primary target for first use of the atomic bomb.

That was my understanding as well. It totally debunks the ranting from liberals the atomic bomb attack on Japan was done strictly for racist reasons. The firebombing of Dresden clearly proved Roosevelt cared little for German civilians. His approach to war in both Germany and Japan was Shermanesque.

25 posted on 08/10/2002 4:18:50 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I've heard it said that dropping the bomb on Japan was racist. This shoots holes in that idea.
26 posted on 08/10/2002 4:19:36 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: x1stcav
unless..unless...that old bastard Patton was intending to take it to the Soviets.

That would have saved millions of lives from communist revolutions worldwide. Too bad I guess.

27 posted on 08/10/2002 4:23:24 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Mike Fieschko
...first successful test...

This begs the question, "Was there ever an unsuccessful test prior to Trinity?"

28 posted on 08/10/2002 4:24:58 PM PDT by stboz
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The targetting of civilians started too late. A German general said that had we started right from the beginning of targetting their logistics infrastructure, the war would have been won by allies 2 years earlier.
29 posted on 08/10/2002 4:25:00 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Sam Cree
I've heard it said that dropping the bomb on Japan was racist. This shoots holes in that idea..........

Built in America by 65,000 lazy Americans, Tested in Japan.
30 posted on 08/10/2002 4:25:43 PM PDT by YOMO
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To: gitmo
Of course it's not too late. Some advice in the form of the lyrics of "Political Science," from Randy Newman's 1972 album Sail Away:

No one likes us -- I don't know why
We may not be perfect, but heaven knows we try
But all around, even our old friends put us down
Let's drop the big one and see what happens

We give them money -- but are they grateful?
No, they're spiteful and they're hateful
They don't respect us -- so let's surprise them
We'll drop the big one and pulverize them

Asia's crowded and Europe's too old
Africa is far too hot
And Canada's too cold
And South America stole our name
Let's drop the big one
There'll be no one left to blame us

We'll save Australia
Don't wanna hurt no kangaroo
We'll build an All American amusement park there
They got surfin', too

BOOM goes London and BOOM Paree
More room for you and more room for me
And every city the whole world round
Will just be another American town
Oh, how peaceful it will be
We'll set everybody free
You'll wear a Japanese kimono
And there'll be Italian shoes for me

They all hate us anyhow
So let's drop the big one now
Let's drop the big one now

©1969 January Music Corp., a division of A. Schroeder International Ltd. (BMI)

Sounds like a plan.

31 posted on 08/10/2002 4:30:49 PM PDT by southernnorthcarolina
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The tactics used to deliver a bomb in Germany would have had to be different than Japan. The Luftwaffe still had some fighters operational till the last month of the war in Europe. I would think that stopping one large B-29 trying to deliver one bomb to a target would be easier to shoot down than 1000 B-17s on a conventional mission.
32 posted on 08/10/2002 4:40:20 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: lavaroise
A German general said that had we started right from the beginning of targetting their logistics infrastructure, the war would have been won by allies 2 years earlier.

Too bad then, lots of lives could have been spared on both sides. It was the mass production of the P-51 Mustang modified with the Rolls Royce engine in late 1943 which gave the Allies the edge in the air war. Prior to that I don't know how much damage could have been done since the Nazis had for the most part control of the skies over Germany.

33 posted on 08/10/2002 4:42:08 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: alloysteel
Nazi Germany was ALWAYS the primary target for first use of the atomic bomb

You are correct. The Manhattan Project was implemented with the intention of beating the German Axis before they had completed their own development project.

The bombing of their heavy water plants (extra hydrogen atom) in Norway somewhat delayed the German research...however...it was found out after the war, that they had not advanced nearly as much as we thought.

It is thought that this might have been caused by Adolf Hitler's inability to understand it's significance....such as he failed to grasp the Luftwaffe's rather interesting development of the first jet engine airplane.

34 posted on 08/10/2002 4:47:28 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
A bit off the thread but two very good research efforts are How the Allies Won the War (author momentarily forgotten) and There's a War to be Won by Murray & Millet. These are, within thier purviews, are some of the best efforts to date. Don't remember any talk about nukin' Europe.
35 posted on 08/10/2002 4:48:05 PM PDT by x1stcav
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To: x1stcav
Maybe I've forgotten my history, but didn't the Krauts surrender on 8 May 45 and the first successful test was at Alamagordo, NM in July?

Tibbets was referring to a conversation that took place long before May of 45. He was ordered to TRAIN to drop da bomb on Europe as well as Japan. Germany would have been first if they hadn't surrendered before the bomb was operational.

36 posted on 08/10/2002 4:51:14 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: operation clinton cleanup
Thanks for the clarification.
37 posted on 08/10/2002 4:53:21 PM PDT by x1stcav
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To: stboz
This begs the question, "Was there ever an unsuccessful test prior to Trinity?

And this begs the reply.

Yes...there was an unsuccessful test...

.....and the resulting political mutation and ensuing social morphing resulted in this:


38 posted on 08/10/2002 4:55:33 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum
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To: ArcLight
Studs Turkel: Interesting that they would have dropped it on Europe as well. We didn't know that.

Why is Studs so surprised by this. We've always known it, if we were paying attention.

The bomb was being developed to use. And to end the war when it was used. All planning assumed it would be used first in Europe, because the strategy was unvaryingly: Germany First.

By the early Spring of 1945, it became apparent that the bomb wouldn't be needed in Europe -- Germany was beaten. Accordingly, attention was then turned solely to Japan.

We know from Richard Rhodes' "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" that several of the physicists involved in the project resisted the bomb's use on Japan. As Jews and European refugees, they had been motivated to develop the bomb so it could be used on Hitler's Germany. They had no wish to unleash havoc on a country against whom they held no personal animus.

Of course, the bomb would've been used in Europe. If that's what it took...

39 posted on 08/10/2002 4:56:23 PM PDT by okie01
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To: ArcLight
Sorry, Arc, but I have to agree with the Chief on Terkel being a phony . . . and I would add that he is a senile one at that.
40 posted on 08/10/2002 5:02:33 PM PDT by Charles of Newark
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