Dot Communist Rats: Admit Spreading Propaganda at Free Republic!

Democrats.com | 8-2-02 | Republican_strategist

[Republican_Strategist]

TOPIC: Just posted this in the Freeper zone...

djmojo: Just posted this in the Freeper zone...WE will NOT allow the ignorant and arrogant to hijack the foundation upon which our democracy was built. We will NOT allow them to twist and corrupt the meaning of words. We are the United States of America. Whether you like it or not, United means something. It means that both the popular and unpopular views of the day are allowed and encouraged to be expressed without fear of reprisal(whether violent or slanderous) or censorship. Those who would have otherwise would be well advised to go take another look at the Constitution. Your actions and words are a shameful disgrace. Being a patriot is more than slapping a bumper sticker on your car, or chanting "USA!" at a wrestling match. No one needs to tell me I'm a patriot, nor do I need to prove it to anyone. The men and women who sacrificed life and limb for this great nation, did not make distinctions in who they were trying to defend. They defended all of us - liberal and conservative or otherwise(even Communists). Because we are the United States of America. The political difference between Communism and Democracy, is that in a Democracy, even the Communist is allowed a voice, whereas any alternative political viewpoint in the Communist state is silenced. So, FOR THE LAST TIME... if you are so ignorant that you would call a liberal Democrat a commie, and tell them to go to China, realize that you are the one who is closest to the Communist, and you would probably be better suited to make that trip. Thoughtful and factual contention to today's issues beyond the tired, self-pitying ramblings of Rush and his ilk should be encouraged and assessed. All other criticism should be seen for exactly what it is: the bathroom wall scrawlings of the immature and the illiterate.

djmojo: RE: Just posted this in the Freeper zone...Here's the link. Can't wait to see the responses.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/725706/posts

[Note: The post is here and it is under the name not_a_sheep. This person is still posting propaganda at the Free Republic. Please report this to Jim Rob.]

mykpart: RE: Just posted this in the Freeper zone...I wanted to post some subtle propaganda on the freeper boards, you know, pretending I'm really a conservative who is disgusted with the administration, but I can't even figure out how to read the posts on there!

[Republican_Strategist]

Who said you have to come here every day? You're free to come and go as you please.

[ArneFufkin]

The word "democracy" is very very little used here on Free Republic. Good.

That's an impossible and undesirable political architecture. It fails miserably. The socialislt left Trotskyite Fifth Column Stalinist Marxist Maoist Leninist DaDaist Democrats SUCK in concept and execution.

They sure can call C-SPAN though.

[chasio649]

I really don't know..did you take a look at bartcopnation.com? It is possible...but i didn't see any posts for bart cop.

[goldstategop]

I don't think they want a civil debate at all. Which was exactly my point: that we're confident of our ideas and its the other side that's afraid of free speech. After all who is pursuing political correctness in our public and intellectual life? Case closed.

[Zeroisanumber]

I think you are missing the point. It is like saying you want to turn the Republican National Convention into a political debate while the democrats hold their convention.

There's a side of me that wouldn't mind seeing that.

...I’m troubled that you want to waste time...

I'm not sure that it is a waste of time. Until it was pulled the thread that not_a_sheep started actually was a fairly civil exchange between people with different views. It was nice to see that happen for once.

...and money it takes to keep Free Republic going by allowing them to flood in here. I suppose when it comes time to raise money, then FR can’t meet its quota, then the liberals can rejoice in the fact they shut us down.

I think that you're verging on the apocalyptic there, but you do have a valid point. This place is supposed to be by conservative for conservatives, and JR is within his rights to ban those who try to mess with that dynamic.

[Republican_Strategist]

I thought you'd like to know about this.

[chasio649]

BarkonCue Member since May-13-02 16 posts Aug-01-02, 10:05 PM (CST) 6. "RE: It's like a graveyard there" In response to message #3 "and hardly a peep. Pathetic. That should illustrate how hateful they really are. You can feel the disappointment that there might not be some serious bloodshed. So sad ! It's the best news I have heard in 6 mo. I Hope the U.N. can make something good come out of this . Great Post !

[LibWhacker]

Better than hearing everyone agree with me every day.

I am disagreeing with you. And in the manner you apparently crave; i.e., just like a liberal would: snidely. :-)

[weegee]

The name seemed familiar from past posts that's why I checked for the ID (unlikely that two would choose such an odd name).

There have been a number of known lib posters and being a lib isn't cause enough to be banned or suspended from FR; sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don't. Some banned posters quickly come back with a new alias. There was one woman who some Freepers quickly detected each time she changed her guise. They even posted the full roster of old names.

I've seen a few posters get banned after a year or more of activity. Some other posters go dormant for awhile and then go through a heavy period of posting activity.

Some just start offensive threads and never rejoin the discussion.

[Zeroisanumber]

I am disagreeing with you. And in the manner you apparently crave; i.e., just like a liberal would: snidely.

Yeah, yeah....smart@ss.

[Republican_Strategist]

Given the fact that you are suggesting you wouldn’t mind seeing the Republican National Convention only further demonstrates how you don’t see the absurdity of your wish. You want to take a place where people of a certain political affiliation gather to set their tone, define their issues, a place where they must allow democrats to have a Alpha Al Gore standing there shaking his head and huffing every time someone speaks. Don’t you see my point is that we go on to meet and debate elsewhere, but the convention is where one particular affiliation meets?

I really am failing to understand why you keep persisting on listening to Phil Donahue, allowing the commies to flood, and now you don’t mind turning the GOP convention into a place for the democrats to infiltrate as well. Really, what is your motivation?

And you can call it civil discourse all you want to, but someone entering a forum and trying to deceive people is not civil at all. You want to ignore the sinister intention. The message was a garbled attempt to convince conservatives that we should welcome communist with open arms in the spirit of America, even if they want to get into the government with the express purpose of overriding the constitution.

And finally, I wasn’t being apocalyptic. You are suggesting we allow all who want to join in thereby turning a conservative forum into a place for liberals, anarchists, and everyone else. It cost money to allow for space for people to do such and when it comes time to raise money to keep this place going, they wouldn’t be paying a dime. Try being a little more realistic.

[chasio649]

I agree...it's really not possible to just ban every lib that posts on here even though this sight is for furthering the conservative cause...not play gotcha back and forth. It just bothers me to have them on here 'cause i peruse their sights and never post because their arguments are littered with &*%%$*@ and such. Why are lib sights so vulgar? They really don't put a lot of thought into it...hmmm...they're egg sucking dog liberals...what am i sayin? ;)

[weegee]

I don't know who that is, I see: BarkonCue signed up 2002-08-01.

None of the posts seem out of the ordinary.

One thing I would say is that beware of the "date" game. Some accounts may be left dormant to give an aire of "history" but worse is that I've seen at least one poster join up with a fictional date (1776) so that field can be hacked. The poster did it purely as a joke to show what was possible.

My account sign up was after 9/11/2001 but I lurked for almost a year before posting.

[chasio649]

go to bartcop and look at the forums...you will see what i am talking about.

[Tempest]

If all you eat is steak, you get mighty sick of steak after a while. Besides, I'd like to think that what I believe can stand up to simple propoganda.

Sorry I'm on a strict no BS diet:)

[weegee]

If a left-right lib-conservative debate is what you are seeking, why not take on the libs on their turf?

Posters here have settled on a general take on an issue but may be open to some fine tuning in their position. I'm not sure how much anything I've read in commentary has done to change my position on an issue but I have seen some concise arguments that mimick my ideas or at least showed me where some on the other side are coming from. The bigger thing that I get from FR is being able to get "details" on news stories, follow ups to said stories, and running "editorial" commentary that I can challenge/answer/cheer.

There are also details on FReep activism opportunities and some laugh out loud satire (sometime political other times not).

The level of discourse is more in line with where Usenet was 15 years ago. Usenet doesn't censor posts but flame wars and know it alls (plus posted SPAM ads and email account grabbing SPAM junk mail) make it an area that just isn't fun anymore.

[Zeroisanumber]

Settle down there tiger, we're all on the same side here.

OK, last post before bed.

Don’t you see my point is that we go on to meet and debate elsewhere, but the convention is where one particular affiliation meets?

The Constitutional Convention in Philidelphia was the place where our forefathers of all political stripes came to debate the course that the new United States would take and what kind of government it should have. Perhaps it should be the same way today, with a single political convention where each party would fight for their beliefs. Pit Rush against Donahue, Daschle against Lott, or Cheney against Wellestone. I'd like to see that, I think that it would be good for the country.

Really, what is your motivation?

The country can't go on living in two camps R_S, I think that conservatives and liberals need to find some sort of middle ground and agree on a common goal for the future. If Dems being here helps that, then I'm all for it.

Try being a little more realistic.

I'm getting tired of realists. I had hoped that post-9/11 we would re-discover some kind of national purpose. But we seem to be slipping back, letting the world pass us by and losing vital chances to move our country forward.

Flame-retardant suit...check.

[GOPcapitalist]

Thanks! I'll keep an eye out. Democrats.communists attracts the lowest of low grade DNC bottomfeeder lifeforms. They're also closely tied to the DNC and Clinton despite pretending otherwise.

[Republican_Strategist]

I don’t know what you mean by settle down. Must mean you see this as us having differing opinions while I’m trying to reason with you. Too bad you ran off before letting me respond, but I decided to anyway.

Well the constitutional convention is history. Now what we have is political conventions bringing its members together to define their issues and choose their candidate to run for the presidency. Instead you tried to use a bad analogy and I’m sorry to say that I believe you are one of the people who like to slip in and that’s why you go to such extraordinary lengths to defend it. And as I noted before, the debates do occur.

All of that just so you could defend having leftists infiltrating because you say you are “tired” of people who agree with you and despite the fact you come here out of your own accord and this is a place by conservatives for conservatives.

Well, you think we should find common ground? How does that relate to allowing them to infiltrate our forum and your support of it? Answer: It doesn’t. To address it, I believe abortion is nothing less than outright murder with holocaust proportions and you think a liberal that agrees with Hillary that teenage girls shouldn’t even have to tell their parents is going to produce this so called middle ground? Like I said before, you need to start being a little more realistic.

Well, the N.Y. Times was the first to break rank. I love how you tried to make this incredible stretch from arguing why we should allow the leftists to come here and post freely to finding a “national purpose.” Yes, let’s all hold hands and sing, “We are the World.” Anyway, I’ll address the point despite it being ridiculous.

All the liberals have done is complain: we will lose the war, Bush hasn’t got Bin Laden, military tribunals are bad, Gitmo terrorists can’t practice their religion, and so forth.

I call diatribes like the one you posted...hogwash!

[The Duke]

The political difference between Communism and Democracy, is that in a Democracy, even the Communist is allowed a voice, whereas any alternative political viewpoint in the Communist state is silenced.

The difference between a Democrat and a Communist is that some Communists are fairly decent and sincere people.