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Smallpocalypse Now: Coming soon to a theater of war near you
1 posted on 07/24/2002 3:14:24 PM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
Anyone who wishes to be vaccinated against smallpox should be able to do so today. Where is the harm? It would certainly reduce future chaos.
2 posted on 07/24/2002 3:23:07 PM PDT by widowithfoursons
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To: spycatcher
Pucker Factor 8, Mr. Sulu.

That was one scary post.

B-chan
(vaccinated against smallpox in 1971)
3 posted on 07/24/2002 3:23:18 PM PDT by B-Chan
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To: spycatcher
The American people will have a reckoning with Washington for wrecking the country by giving its games priority over our survival. Few in Congress will be re-elected, and President Bush would likely be removed earlier for "failure to perform his office".

Riiiiiight. It's common knowledge that voters despise Congress as a whole, but think their own personal representative is a god. And if such an attack were to occur, Bush's fate would be entirely determined by how he responded. If he sat on his hands and did nothing, sure, he might be removed. If he immediately declares WWIII, he'll be a lock for reelection.

By the way, if the whole of Congress is going to be thrown out, then who's going to be around to impeach Bush? If the public turns on them, they'll cease to give a damn. And what the hell does "failure to perform his duties" mean? The Constitution clearly states that the president can only be "removed from office on impeachment for, and conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors." Pissing off the public is not a "high crime or misdemeanor."

4 posted on 07/24/2002 3:37:17 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: spycatcher
Social effects would be awful too, notably here. Watching millions of us die horribly, with more millions disfigured, will scar America's psyche and self-image.

I don't recall the United States crumbling after the flu epidemic of 1919.

By the way, if anyone can answer this question, I'd appreciate it: Does a smallpox vaccination absolutely 100% guarantee you'll end up with one of those ugly round scars on your upper arm? I consider that disfigurement, too.

6 posted on 07/24/2002 3:40:31 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: spycatcher
Stop bothering us.

We're busy celebrating the miraculous recovery of the stock market today (all credit due to Congress and the Administration, of course)!

10 posted on 07/24/2002 3:53:30 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: spycatcher
I think part of the problem with the Feds is that to introduce a widespread small pox vaccination program, the Feds would first have to actually tell the public who might use it against us. Iraq, Iran, N. Korea, China, Russia? If it were determined that, say, Iraq had a massivce small pox program, the public would insist on holding that country fully accountable and subject to pre-emptive economic embargos and diplomatic isolation.
12 posted on 07/24/2002 4:08:38 PM PDT by Ranger
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To: spycatcher
The article makes a very good point. Smallpox, like most diseases, spreads best in dirty, crowded conditions among people in poor health and questionable nutrition. And that suggests that the third world would come off badly. It would have interesting side effects in several areas related to demographic pressures.

Quite aside from any retaliation, bio-warfare would be a dangerous thing for the mo-slimes to start. But I can't say they've shown many signs of brilliance to date.

13 posted on 07/24/2002 4:14:10 PM PDT by neutrino
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To: spycatcher
Outstanding article that missed a key point.

If you are going to game this out, be sure to game the whole thing. The biggest question is: How much vaccine do we really have? If we have as much as this article assumes, then we can implement any policy we want, including allowing voluntary civilian vaccination.

BUT... If we have much less workable vaccine than we claim, then we need to give the impression that we have much more than we actually have. Which, in turn, means we need a credible reason not to allow voluntary vaccination.

Voila! The health establishment sticks their collective heads in the sand (I'm trying to be polite here), and then proceeds to block the obviously best solution. "They" only allow vaccination of a few key people. We all believe it's just another example of the bureaucratic idiocy we all know so well.

I ain't buyin it. No way have we been able to find/create enough vaccine to protect all of North America this fast.

Likewise, if we had enough vaccine to do the job, no way would low level staffers be able to block the President's wishes. If he ordered approval for voluntary vaccinations, we'd have it tomorrow.

15 posted on 07/24/2002 4:39:07 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: spycatcher
Smallpox is LESS useable as weapon because its spread would be uncontrollable. You do not blow up somebody if the bomb will get you too.

'Course, all bets are off if you are insane. Is Saddam insane?

If Saddam is insane, but nevertheless capable of self-preservation, then he will not use a weapon that is sure to result in his personal destruction unless he is faced with that destruction anyway. Hence I do not expect an attack on Iraq untill we have something in place for our own self-defense, or we have concluded that Saddam will strike first if we wait.

I doubt that our defenses are ready, but I am also unsure that Saddam will wait. Using the same strategic gaming approach as this article, you can expect Saddam to strike first if he becomes convinced we are close to achieving a self defense capability.

19 posted on 07/24/2002 5:20:01 PM PDT by EternalHope
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To: spycatcher
The government obligingly announced that, since we have no native vaccine sources, it was purchasing several million doses from a British company.

They practically gave its street address.

Were I a terrorist, I would not bother to release smallpox. Instead, I would make that British company vanish from the face of the Earth, and sit back and watch the panic.

--Boris

20 posted on 07/24/2002 5:33:16 PM PDT by boris
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To: spycatcher
Tom Holsinger is a California attorney and wargaming grognard. He began writing for Strategy Page in April 2002 when Jim Dunnigan asked him to rewrite an email for publication.

Does anyone know what a "grognard" is?

21 posted on 07/24/2002 5:35:58 PM PDT by gg188
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It wasn't in Merriam Webster online; that is why I asked. I just plugged "grognard" into Google, and here is one of the first page of hits

Grognard is a slang term for someone who enjoys playing wargames (and strategy games in general). Originally it referred to table-top gamers, but now, by extension, it's also used for computer gamers.

In the old Jeff Foxworthy "redneck" tradition: If you enjoy reading 300 page manuals for your games, you may be a grognard. If you sometimes find yourself staring at a strategy game map at 4 AM, and you keep mumbling "just one more turn", you're probably a grognard. If the game represents planes by plus signs and ships by 0's, you're definitely a grognard.

The word was originally used to describe veteran soldiers in Napoleon's army - in French, it can be translated as "grumbler".

23 posted on 07/24/2002 5:40:28 PM PDT by gg188
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To: Dark Wing
ping
25 posted on 07/24/2002 5:44:41 PM PDT by Thud
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To: spycatcher
bump ..... maybe we should threaten them with smallpox.
33 posted on 07/24/2002 6:24:23 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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Food for thought.
35 posted on 07/24/2002 10:21:11 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: spycatcher
Almost all Muslim immigrants would be deported - some would be lynched.

Well, if they would not revert to terrorism as form of their grievance, there wouldn't be any problems with the Muslims.

This is one last warning to the Muslims, if we have another Sept. 11, I wouldn't want be happy being an Arab.

P.S. Not all Arabs are Muslims, in fact many of them are Christians. Remember that.

36 posted on 07/24/2002 10:30:05 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: spycatcher
...post-attack inoculation will be additionally disrupted by 50+ million Mexicans surging here seeking vaccine not available in Mexico. That would magnify America's own panic, violence and collapsing civil infrastructure....

We don't need 50 million Mexicans to magnify America's panic, Holsinger.

All we need is the constant procession of alarmist scum like you, who have found there's a media dollar to be made by yelling 'fire!' in a crowded theatre. As far as I'm concerned people like you should be arrested- the charge, needlessly sowing concern amongst the public, for personal advantage.

42 posted on 07/25/2002 1:52:42 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie
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To: spycatcher
bump
75 posted on 12/15/2002 2:41:26 PM PST by Diana Rose
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To: spycatcher

This pops up with some regularity, but a worldwide epidemic is unlikely. Smallpox was wiped out in the early 70s by a team of about a hundred health workers, going from village to village in remote parts of the world.

It doesn't spread by air and it doesn't spread quickly. A deliberate terrorist attack would definitly be a tragedy, but would be contained.


81 posted on 11/18/2004 7:10:43 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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