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Sex, torture and erotic electrification in America's 'gay' churches
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, July 18, 2002 | By Stephen Bennett

Posted on 07/18/2002 1:12:46 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

No doubt this is a sin-sick world we live in, yet it still amazes me how wicked and debased America continues to become. You better brace yourselves for this one folks.

In my recent WND commentary, "Was Jesus 'gay?'," I addressed the "gay friendly" theology of the Metropolitan Community Church – one of the largest growing networks of homosexual churches worldwide catering to the "gay, lesbian and transgendered communities." In 2003, the MCC's website claims it will have over 70,000 members spanning 17 countries.

The commentary exposed the twisted teachings of the MCC and its homosexual founder, the Reverend Troy R. Perry, an ex-Baptist minister who began the "gay church" in 1968. Many homosexual men and women who have left the church claimed MCC churches around the country were nothing more than "gay pick up joints" and "all the gay sex you want" ... all in the name of Christ.

While researching information on the MCC for my commentary, I found things I never intended to find. What I discovered is absolutely shocking and horrifying – and I caution you with what you are about to read. It is very disturbing.

The Metropolitan Community Church of San Diego welcomes you on their website with "Bringing people closer to God and to one another." It further goes on to say, "May you find the church informative and helpful and even a step that will lead you to a more personal relationship with Jesus Christ ... please come and take advantage of our fellowship opportunities."

"Bringing people together" and "fellowship opportunities" are gross understatements.

On Nov. 1, 1999, at 7:30 p.m., a sadomasochist workshop sponsored by GLO (Leathermen Only) was held at the church hall – "Fisting For Beginners." Several different sado-masochist groups use the church facilities monthly for their instructive workshops. According to their e-mail, they said:

It will be a wild demonstration-lecture and no actual fisting will be done on the premises, but a videotape will supply the missing visuals. Join us at the MCC Church Hall at 4333 30th Street, across the way from the Aztec Bowling Alley.

Fisting, for those of you who are not into sado-masochist perversion, is a dangerous, painful act practiced by many gays, lesbians and heterosexuals of inserting one's complete fist and part of the arm into the sex partner's vagina or anus. For many homosexuals, this is a pleasurable, erotic act. This is just the beginning.

On May 24, 2000, another sado-masochist group, Club X, held a workshop entitled "SM 101" at the church hall. According to their advertisement:

Travis has been presenting this excellent introduction to SM (Sado-Masochism) for several years now. It has proven very effective and well received at all of the "Human Sexuality" college classes he has presented it to as well as to all the police department orientations and sensitivity training sessions he has taught it at.

On Monday, June 5, 2000, the MCC of San Diego allowed GLO to provide what appeared to be another evening "fellowship opportunity" in the church hall for the sex-crazed men and women. The monthly e-mail advertisement read:

Bring your Leather, or toys, cleaned & ready to sell, trade, swap, or give to that someone special. This will be happening inside the meeting hall, the MCC has asked us NOT TO speak too loudly, or display or show off things out in the patio area, or anywhere in public view. ANYONE breaking the rules will be asked to leave, period. Please remember that there are other events that happen at MCC while we are there, & that this is a church.

Did you get the last comment – "that this is a church?" Yeah, right.

July 2000's meeting at the MCC of San Diego reminisced about the "good old days." The advertisement read:

These discussions are designed to restart the traditional cycle that used to exist in the Good Old Days, when Daddies with great experience would teach sexual/sensual/relationship tips to others, as they themselves were taught. We lost nearly a whole generation of gay men that should be here now as role-models, and the surviving older men were scattered in disarray. The preceding "Ask Daddy Anything" discussion was a smashing success, because it succeeded in bringing many good, wise folks back to public admiration and visibility. That same philosophy will continue in all upcoming discussions.

Each event will build upon the previous ones, and will include plenty of opportunities for feedback and discussion from wise and experienced Tops and Bottoms. If you have always desired to have sensual, powerful and meaningful relationships with others (from a Top or Bottom viewpoint), you should not miss any part of this series.

Monday, July 3, 2000, in the church hall was a workshop on "watersports." Watersports, for those of you who don't know, is the perverted act some homosexuals practice by urinating on one another, among other things, and getting their thrills.

In September, it seems the "gay" church got a double dose of "fun": a "bondage" workshop and "piercing" for pleasure workshop was advertised.

'Tis the season to be jolly ... On Wednesday night, Dec. 27, 2000, right after many celebrated the birth of Jesus Christ, the MCC of San Diego allowed yet another workshop, keeping in spirit with all the tinsel and "lights" of the season, appropriately titled "Erotic Electricity." Presented by a man called "Volta," the e-mail advertisement read:

"Volta is a highly skilled practitioner of this form of play and he will be covering all the bases in his presentation. Safety, necessary hardware, basic techniques, and some of the more advanced techniques will also be covered. In addition, Volta is planning on setting up a "hot seat" for those in the audience daring enough to try it out on themselves! This promises to be highly informative and entertaining so come on down Wednesday night to our workshop."

On Wednesday, April 24, 2002, a friend of mine actually attended this workshop at the MCC of San Diego. This person is still recovering from the trauma of the scenes they witnessed. The advertisement read:

This month, Jeff, our fearless leader will be presenting a workshop entitled: 'Single tail whip and sensuous whip play.' Jeff is a well known accomplished artist with the single tail and is lining up some willing assistants for the workshop. Come and learn techniques or just melt away to the sound of the whip, grins ... Various techniques for throwing and playing with whips and how best to position your play partner.

At the event in the MCC church's Fulton Hall, "Jeff" spent the first hour discussing the differences between single tail and other types of whips, including Indiana Jones-style bullwhips and how to identify a whip's maker by its workmanship. He passed several whips around for the audience to examine and discussed how to clean the tip in case skin was broken.

During the second hour, many people were "consensually" and brutally whipped, including one woman who actually stripped to her bra and was whipped from front and behind. After finishing whipping each willing subject, Jeff proudly examined and displayed his handiwork: the welts.

If the MCC Church of San Diego is not hard-core enough for you, how about the Metropolitan Community Church in the Valley of North Hollywood?

On April 24, 2002, a workshop at the church was advertised entitled "Branding by Cauterization." Cauterization is the burning and searing of the flesh with a hot iron. The burns are so severe, the wounds don't even have time to bleed.

May 22nd featured "Master & Slavery as a Lifestyle" and on June 26th "Hot Wax" – sexual gratification from dripping burning candle wax onto your partner.

The group that uses the MCC in the Valley of North Hollywood, Avatar-L.A. is currently advertising their upcoming events (please forgive me for the language – this is their copy, not mine):

Aug. 3, 2002 – Clips, Clamps & Clothespins / Tit, Cock & Ball Torture (According to their promo – 'Besides hanging up clothes to dry, this demo will show how clothespins, various clips and clamps can be used safely to enduce the most exquisite pain and suffering.')

Sept. 7, 2002 – Erotic Shaving / Spanking

Oct. 5, 2002 – Fisting 101 (seems to be a popular workshop)

Nov. 2, 2002 – Erotic Electricity 101

Nov. 15, 2002 – Erotic Electricity 201 (Erotic Electricity 101 is a prerequisite to this class)

Friends, these sick and perverted "workshops" are not only going on in the Metropolitan Community Churches in California, but others around the country as well. Much of this chilling information is readily available right on the Internet.

Perversion and wickedness are abounding in America and my friends, it is high time we repented of our indifference and complacency. From Hollywood, the media, the government, the public schools … right into our churches, we are now seeing the rotten fruit and stench of the sin of homosexuality in our land. The "gay" agenda has been so successful thus far for one reason: we've let it.

Never forget, we need to always love the sinner, yet we can hate the sin.

America: It's high time we've finally said, "Enough is enough."


Editor's note: The July issue of WND's popular monthly print magazine, Whistleblower, is a groundbreaking look at the issue of homosexuality in America. Subscribe to Whistleblower at WND's online store, ShopNetDaily.


Stephen Bennett is a Christian recording artist and commentator who is featured nationally on radio, television and print. He is emerging as one of the nation's key speakers on "coming out" of homosexuality. For further information, visit Stephen Bennett's website.


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Thursday, July 18, 2002

Quote of the Day posted by Travis McGee

1 posted on 07/18/2002 1:12:46 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Okay, a few things come to mind:

Were there any kids at any of these workshops? If not, then I really don't have any problem with what consenting adults want to do with each other, no matter how icky I may personally find a lot of it. (Fisting? Ick!!).

I don't think a church is a terribly proper place for this sort of thing, but if the membership of this church doesn't mind, then so be it. Those that don't like it should *certainly* go elsewhere. It didn't seem to me like the Church itself was sponsering this stuff, just allowing their space to be used.

I don't seem to remember the Bible complaining about dripping wax on ones partner, or flogging them, and don't really understand what business it is of the authors to crab about this sort of thing. It sounds more like his problem is with anything that isn't missionary style sex. Like I said, if there were kids that were being made to go to these things, or if they were doing this stuff WAY OUT i the public, I could totally understand and support the outrage.

Otherwise, to me, this guy comes off as a Socialist Theocrat that wants to pass more laws telling us what we can and can not do in the privacy of our own bedrooms. What's next, a branch of the Ministry of Peace...er...Homeland Security, that busts down doors if you're reported giving the missus a little spanking, or getting a little head?
2 posted on 07/18/2002 2:49:00 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: JohnHuang2
I guess this shows why homosexuality is perverted sexual behavior and why we don't want our schools teaching our children that it's perfectly acceptable.
3 posted on 07/18/2002 2:56:34 AM PDT by RightWinger
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To: WyldKard
Congratulations. Yours is one of the most idiotic posts I have ever seen at FR.

You may want to check in with the duty nurse soon for your medication.

4 posted on 07/18/2002 3:03:49 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: WyldKard
I don't seem to remember the Bible complaining about dripping wax on ones partner, or flogging them, and don't really understand what business it is of the authors to crab about this sort of thing.

I suppose the section on Sodom and Gomorrah was torn out of your Bible, yes?

While these "consenting adults" certainly have the right to engage in whatever debauchery they want to (as long as they aren't doing in anyone else while they do it -- ewwww!), to do it in any sort of "church" really does not sit right with me.

WyldKard, how would you feel if goats were being sacrificed for some bizarre "ritual sacrifice" of pre-teen virgins tied to some form of Satanic worship in the rectory of your friendly, neighborhood Catholic church? Unless you have the emotional output of a rock, it probably wouldn't sit right with you. This is nothing different.

This sounds like a group of folks who are using the term "church" in order to qualify for tax exempt status for their form of filth. It's a defilement of what most hold sacred, and should be stopped.

5 posted on 07/18/2002 3:13:05 AM PDT by mhking
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To: F16Fighter
Congratulations. Yours is one of the most idiotic posts I have ever seen at FR.

Hmmm...I tell you what, instead of resorting to character assassination and personal attacks, maybe you could do us all a favor, and explain WHY it's an idiotic post? That is why this is called a "debate" forum. If you need a definition of the word, I would be happy to supply you with it.

Oh, I forgot, it's much easier to do a pithy, one-liner "drive by posting" against people who dare to think even slightly different from you. You must have learned how to "debate" from the folks over at Democratic Underground...
6 posted on 07/18/2002 3:21:42 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: WyldKard
Congratulations on the second most idiotic post I have ever seen at FR...

Tell the duty nurse to double up on your med.

7 posted on 07/18/2002 3:29:40 AM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: mhking
I suppose the section on Sodom and Gomorrah was torn out of your Bible, yes?

The Bible says the people of Sodom and Gomorrah were dripping hot wax on each other, flogging each other, and zapping each other with electricity? Wow! I MUST have missed that part. Please point it out, because *that* CERTAINLY must have been ripped out of any copy of the Bible *I* have ever seen. It sounds way better than any of the erotica in the Song of Solomon! :)

While these "consenting adults" certainly have the right to engage in whatever debauchery they want to (as long as they aren't doing in anyone else while they do it -- ewwww!), to do it in any sort of "church" really does not sit right with me.

It doesn't sit right with me, and I stated as much previously. Unfortunately, a Church has a right to do what it wants, and the only people who can tell it otherwise are the people who make up the Church. If you can't get the Church you attend to stop supporting stuff (either through direct sponsership, or by letting their facilities be used) you don't like, then you have to vote with your feet, and find a new place to go...

WyldKard, how would you feel if goats were being sacrificed for some bizarre "ritual sacrifice" of pre-teen virgins tied to some form of Satanic worship in the rectory of your friendly, neighborhood Catholic church? Unless you have the emotional output of a rock, it probably wouldn't sit right with you. This is nothing different.

Your statement is a little confusing. Are they ONLY sacrificing goats, or are they sacrificing both goats and children? First off, in BOTH possible examples, this is a direct church activity that is obviously being sponsered by said church. In his article, the author never says if the MCC directly sponsered this stuff, or merely let the groups use their space. Trust me, you MUST know churchs allow groups not affiliated with them to use their space. My monthly Unreal Tournament LAN party group meets at the local Methodist church, for instance, but we never get anything more than the use of the space.

If all they are doing is sacrificing goats, then I would be highly disturbed, and would want people to KNOW it's going on so they could act as they feel appropraite, but if all they are doing is killing animals, I don't think any real legal action should be brought against them. The people of the Church need to vote with their feet.

If they are killing children....well DUH!!! Of course one would want it shut down immediately, and the sickos involved brought to justice. You can't even begin to compare killing children to a couple of consenting adults spanking each other, for crying out loud.

This sounds like a group of folks who are using the term "church" in order to qualify for tax exempt status for their form of filth. It's a defilement of what most hold sacred, and should be stopped.

Once again, I'd like to know: Does the Church activly sponser this, or just let the people use their space? If it was the former, I would be more inclined to agree with you. Either way you are more than welcome to protest what they do (And God knows, yes, people abuse religion for tax reasons all the time. Just look at those nutcase Scientologists!), but right now, I don't see anything legally wrong with these people do, no matter how I personally feel about some of this sick stuff they are doing. The sad part about the Constitution, and Constitutional freedoms is you have to take the good with the bad. You have to take the hate speech spewed by the Neo-Nazi on the corner along with the religious gospel being preached on that same street corner. (Although the Liberals seem to be quickly finding ways to ban BOTH forms of free speech...) I think these quotes sum it up best:

The only freedom which counts is the freedom to do what some other people think to be wrong. There is no point in demanding freedom to do that which all will applaud. All the so-called liberties or rights are things which have to be asserted against others who claim that if such things are to be allowed their own rights are infringed or their own liberties threatened. This is always true, even when we speak of the freedom to worship, of the right of free speech or association, or of public assembly. If we are to allow freedoms at all there will constantly be complaints that either the liberty itself or the way in which it is exercised is being abused, and, if it is a genuine freedom, these complaints will often be justified. There is no way of having a free society in which there is not abuse. Abuse is the very hallmark of liberty.

-- Lord Hailsham
8 posted on 07/18/2002 3:43:21 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: F16Fighter
Mmmhmm..yes...whatever.

Run along, little boy, us adults are trying to have an actual debate here. If you can't be bothered to try and formulate an effective argument past "Wah! You're a doo doo head!" then please don't bother. Thanks!
9 posted on 07/18/2002 3:45:26 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: WyldKard
Oh, I forgot, it's much easier to do a pithy, one-liner "drive by posting" against people who dare to think even slightly different from you.

Here is mine to you and your twisted sense of morality, but I didn't write it.

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Proverbs 26:4"

10 posted on 07/18/2002 3:49:46 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: WyldKard
I don't seem to remember the Bible complaining about dripping wax on ones partner, or flogging them, and don't really understand what business it is of the authors to crab about this sort of thing.

Jesus made a whip and drove the money changers out of the Temple in anger, you really think He'd be OK with the sort of sick sexual workshops we see above, in the church?

11 posted on 07/18/2002 3:54:07 AM PDT by Jorge
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To: SkyPilot
Here is mine to you and your twisted sense of morality, but I didn't write it.

Okay, well now I'm geniunely curious. What about my morality do you find "twisted"? I seem to have said thus far that I'm not terribly comfortable with these sorts of things going on at a church, but that it's up to the members of the Church to vote with their feet and voices about this sort of thing. You believe it's morally twisted for members of a Church to have a say in what goes on AT their church?

I also said that I find a lot of this stuff personally a turn-off, but that consenting adults have a right to do whatever they want, as long as there weren't any kids being involved in these workshops. You find the thought of consenting adults spanking each other in the privacy of their own bedrooms, or a gathering spot that is adults only to be "morally twisted"? Boy, I hope you've never had sex other than in the missionary position then.

So what is your problem with me, exactly? Was it because I didn't suggest that God immediately strike these people dead?
12 posted on 07/18/2002 3:55:38 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: Jorge
Jesus made a whip and drove the money changers out of the Temple in anger, you really think He'd be OK with the sort of sick sexual workshops we see above, in the church?

I don't think he'd be terribly happy with Bingo in the church either, to be honest. Or the fact that a group I belong to plays Unreal Tournament in one of the classrooms, on the third Saturday of every week. Yet, the Church is allowing these things. If you don't support it, then tell your Church you don't support it. If you can't get them to listen, then attend another Church. I do see where you are coming from, however. The impression I get from the article, however, is that the author of the piece has problems with any of these acts happening ANYWHERE for ANY REASON (like when he makes unrelated toss off lines like "Much of this information is available on the Internet!"). I have a feeling he'd be pissed off if these workshops were being held in a secular space, or in the privacy of peoples homes. If that's not the case, and his only TRUE beef is because its in a church, then I have less of a problem with the article.

It seems to me Churches are going to run themselves they way they are going to run themselves, and the only thing you can do is leave if you don't support what they do. After all, won't God eventually be the one to punish them if said Church displeases him?
13 posted on 07/18/2002 4:02:27 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: WyldKard
Many of the Roman pagan temples were also brothels, so I don't see any difference between the MCC and pagan Rome.
14 posted on 07/18/2002 4:02:31 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: WyldKard
Tell us a little about your parents.
15 posted on 07/18/2002 4:03:09 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Alouette
Many of the Roman pagan temples were also brothels, so I don't see any difference between the MCC and pagan Rome.

Well, that depends if any actual sexual acts (penetrative intercourse of some kind, in this case) are going on. It seems to me, according to the article that these people are at least being decent enough not to go that far. (I HOPE).

If you really want to get mad over something like this, get mad at whats happened here in MA with "FistGate", where they were teaching this stuff to MINORS in the classroom. Now THAT is wrong....
16 posted on 07/18/2002 4:06:04 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: JohnHuang2
...Never forget, we need to always love the sinner, yet we can hate the sin.

You know, that is actually NOT in the Bibile..... But there are several instructions by Jesus for us to JUDGE RIGHTOUSLY!

17 posted on 07/18/2002 4:09:44 AM PDT by The Bard
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To: WyldKard
Congratulations. Yours is one of the most idiotic posts I have ever seen at FR.
You may want to check in with the duty nurse soon for your medication.

AMEN BROTHER

18 posted on 07/18/2002 4:13:29 AM PDT by WKB
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To: WyldKard
I don't seem to remember the Bible complaining about dripping wax on ones partner, or flogging them, and don't really understand what business it is of the authors to crab about this sort of thing.

While this may not be specifically addressed in the Bible, what the Christian church promotes is a respect for human life and its dignity. Many Christians believe that this type of conduct serves to debase and humiliate the human spirit.

Taking it another step, there is nothing more that satan would love than to debase and diminish the human spirit, through whatever means (homosexuality or others). For a person to allow themselves to experience this type of lifestyle would result in them being in bondage (both spriritually and literally) to this and to the people that promote it.

I believe this is what the author was trying to point out. As Christians, we are in a spiritual war with the percieved evils that promote this type of conduct. Of course, the bottom line is that God gives all of us free will to choose the life we lead. If that's your thing, then go ahead and do it. But as Christians, it's incumbent upon us to do what we can to discourage it and show these folks a better way.

19 posted on 07/18/2002 4:16:45 AM PDT by peteram
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To: WyldKard
Otherwise, to me, this guy comes off as a Socialist Theocrat that wants to pass more laws telling us what we can and can not

I think the main thing that the author was really upset about was the fact that this "church" was operating under the name of the Lord Jesus, and that this is major blasphemy.

Like you, I agree that if these people want to exert their free will and live like this, fine. But I draw the line at using the Lord's name to promote it.

20 posted on 07/18/2002 4:24:15 AM PDT by peteram
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