Posted on 07/17/2002 9:09:29 AM PDT by NoLongerLurker
It's not like these guys are being covert about their intentions, regardless of what the Bush Bots say to the contrairy.
And.......if principled, freedom and liberty loving people are not part of it, then we are cutting our own throats. They will have all the clout and we will be left to whine and wallow.
You and our current Republican administration don't seem to give a rat's a$$ about the Constitution and Bill of Rights, particularly the protection against unreasonable search. Sending in an agent in the form of a furnace repair man who has the power to look around and report any activities that HE thinks are suspicious, which then goes into a record you can never access is, in my opinion, a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
I agree. Decent people, in and out of TIPS, would not do those things, and decent people in the TIPS program would have something to say about those who would do such things. It would be a positive influence for a change.
The whole idea of enocuraging Americans to inform on their neighbors is thoroughly disgusting.
What would be the purpose of joining TIPS if not to rat on people? What other positions are there?
This is nothing more than a giant, federally run, nation wide organization for the purpose of rating on each other for the purpose of empowering the federal government and gaining more and more information on the 'subjects'.
Hmmmmmmmm.........I got it! Start a pre-TIPS program to screen the TIPS informers.
What recourse against the rat does one have for providing false info? Against the government for acting upon false info? Is there any?
I suspect the answer is a big fat NO on all counts.
And what about the violation of the 4th amendment issue that this surely raises? Being a part of the TIPS program clearly makes them under the direction of and an agent of the government, which requires them to obtain a warrant to enter your home.
This is a road that should not be traveled down. And no person who supports the TIPS program is a lover of liberty and freedom. Including President Bush.
That's exactly what they won't do. If only the ratters get involved, it will take on a life of its own and become the type of organization we don't want it to become.
Sorry, seems I mistook you for someone more intelligent than you are.
Owl_Eagle
”Guns Before Butter.”
Other than the position of RAT, what positions are available?
We will have more informants than Germany and their infamous Stasi secret police. One in every 24 Americans will be a snitch.
It will be totally disgusting.
Here is the "intelligent" version:
If the "garbled database" will prevent TIPS from being useful, why bother? If it won't prevent information on you from being retrieved, it's a menace.
In any case, it's disgusting to encourage Americans to become informants on each other. It's no different than what took place under the Nazis or the Communists.
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