Man Arrested For Burning Kitten on Grill

AP/CNN | 7-16-02 | my favorite headache

[cake_crumb]

"They probably aren't a risk to humans since most people who do this sort of thing draw a line between human and animal - they don't respect animals as "human" as the animal rights people do."

Wrong. Serial killers draw no real distinction between animals and people whatsoever. Both bleed and both feel pain. Both are "walking meat" for the killer. Serial killers frequently start out their careers by practicing on animals first, before moving up the food chain toward the bigger, two legged "walking meat". In fact, serial killers frequently view both animals AND people as "walking meat".

[kcpopps]

"Jim Roberts, spokesman for the Clay County prosecutor's office, said he does not expect anyone else to be charged, because no witnesses could identify the others."

Latest reports say that police are looking for another individual whom may be charged.

Also latest reports say that the woman who turned the perps in is recieving threatening phone calls telling her, "'Change your story or you're dead". She says people are throwing stuff at her doors and windows and harassing her.

Maybe the police should "accidently" leak the names of those 10-12 other people to the press.

UPDATED STORY

[faintpraise]

I most definitely think the freepers "I'd like to give this guy a taste of his own medicine" over reaction is somewhat comical.

That is what I thought was somewhat amusing.

Anger is a fairly normal reaction to this kind of cruelty. A living kitten is not meat.

[B-Chan]

Animals do not have souls. However, mammals are self-aware to some degree -- and dogs and cats trust us. This is why I'm against eating dogs and cats -- not because they're widdle people with fur coats, but because it's a betrayal of trust. They're on our team.

C.S. Lewis was known to believe that beloved pets gain a little bit of humanity from us over the years, just as we share in the love of Christ. That's not to say that there's a cat or dog "heaven", but it at least opens the possibility; perhaps our love makes our pets more human, just as Christ's love makes us more like Him.

God cares when animals die, even little sparrows. That doesn't mean we can't eat them, use them as slaves, or kill them when necessary; it just means that all life is precious to God. To kill an animal for human use or out of self-defense is just killing, and when done with the minimum possible pain is a perfectly moral act; to torture an animal to death simply for the pleasure of watching it suffer is to disrespect Life itself -- and the Maker of Life.

Plus I despise bullies. No rational reason -- I just hate them, always have. When I see a big thing cruelly torturing a little thing just for the hell of it, I lose it. Fortunately, I'm not a libertarian, so I have no problem imposing my own narrow moral standards on others (by force if necessary) when the situation warrants it. If I ever caught any of my neighbors doing something like this, they'd wish they'd never been born.

The Natural Law written into the heart of every man is enough to tell anybody that wanton cruelty is wrong. I pity the kind of creature that could roast a little living thing alive without the slightest twinge of conscience.

Some days it's a sad old world.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Wow, I bet you still don't understand why all your logical reasoning for buying the wife a dishwasher for her anniversary didn't work. You may be able to construct some cold legalism in your head, but you completely miss the point.

Man was given dominion over animals, but he was ALSO given the responsibility of stewardship. Witness Jesus' parable of the shephard searching for the single lost lamb, the lamb represents a soul, not simply "property". A man is the head of the household, but that in no way allows him to harm his wife, but quite the opposite. There is a huge difference between slaughtering an animal for food, and torturing an animal for pleasure.

If animals were simply meaningless pieces of meat, why does God know all the movements of the birds in the field, why would he care? No, they are not our equals, they do not have souls, but where in the Bible does it condone causing pain? Only in defense. A good steward nurtures, not tortures.

Your legalism is misguided. Caring and kindness is an underlying theme throughout the Bible, but you seem to ignore that. Jesus took pity on the poor and the hurting. Yes, they had souls, but an underlying point is the compassion and caring of God. How is it caring and compassionate to inflict pain on an unwilling recipient? Animals may not have souls, but they can feel pain.

Perhaps you should quit posting and reevaluate, before you further embarrass yourself. Your profile says that you are a Christian, but your posts on this thread misrepresent Biblical teachings.

[LowOiL]

Ohhh , buddy watch out. I took a simular stance (that animal has no soul, doesn't end up in heaven ect.. ) a year or so ago. I think the last hate mail was about a month ago. It is funny how some will condeme this fellow with more zeal than a drug dealer selling to kids. Human life comes formost IMHO.

BTW... I have animals I love, I am in the process right now digging a hole to bury my mom/mine Austrilian Blue Healer. One of the best dogs I have owned, female of course, full blooded/spayed. Mom wanted her when I moved off. She would take on a dog twice her size and defend mom better than any other dog I have have owned. She was 14 y/o last month. I will bury her between two mulberry trees in the best spot on my property. Gotta go pick her up now..... Boo Hoo Bye Maltida Bay. Will miss ya girl ..

[kcpopps]

Here's the sociopath

[Lazamataz]

The fact that what this guy did is a crime, however, is absurd!

You just said that this act should not be a crime.

You are, simply, evil.

G-d will deal with you.

[Diddle E. Squat]

Thanks for the good Paul Harvey/Billy Graham story.

[dixie sass]

I know Hoya, it just breaks my heart though.

[kjenerette]

To: chookter

the law should definitely discourage such a thing.

Why? 41 posted on 7/16/02 4:03 PM Pacific by RobRoy

Rob, here is your profile......Location: Seattle E-mail: rob_wma@hotmail.com - Cobol programmer (consultant), bass player, bike commuter, professing Christian funamentalist and creationism apologist. My wife really is "robroys woman."

Here is my response as to 'why' Mr. macho-man....

Jesus said that not even a sparrow falls to the ground that God does not notice....Matthew 10:31

I'm always amazed by guys who pass themselves off as 'tough-guys.'

[Diddle E. Squat]

Excuse me, but how do you know that the posters here don't feel just as strong(if not moreso) about abortions?

Rather presumptious, and condescending on your part. Ya know, sometimes extreme pro-lifers can be extremely counterproductive.

[RobRoy]

I have a dog. I have owned lots of animals. Animals "appear" to suffer as a human does. But appearances are decieving. They can't remember the event five minutes later. They may know that they should not touch the flame, they just can't remember exactly why.

Animals are the biological iquivalent to artificial intelligence. That's why that movie was such a flop. I, at least, couldn't get past the fact that the AI boy was only mimicking actual human emotion. It looked real but it wasn't.

The animals are just running their self preservation program. The things that can damage an animal also cause it what a human would interpret as "pain." That's what helps them to avoid the activity subsequent to the "negative" experience. I don't believe it is quite the same for an animal - the concept of pain, that is - although it gives that appearance. Heck, I can program my computer to yell "OUCH" every time I hit the "x" key. That doesn't mean it feels anything.

Needless to say, I am quite malevelant when it comes to animals. They're a natural resource. Nothing more. One of the things they do offer is the "perception" of companionship, kind of like a teddy bear does for children.

[Lazamataz]

I fail to understand why the senseless murder of the unborn -- deaths whose brutality boggles the mind -- doesn't work us up any longer the same way the senseless torture of some dumb animal does.

The act of being born is what seems to emotionally seperate these two acts.

• If you aborted kitten fetuses you would not hear nearly as much outcry.

• If you killed 7-week-old children you would hear much more outcry.

It's not the species difference that causes the different reaction in some people. It is the timing that causes the different reaction in some people.

[gitmo]

Man, I thought you were talking about Rush Limbaugh.

[semaj]

WHO CARES?

[Euro-American Scum]

Plus I despise bullies. No rational reason -- I just hate them, always have. When I see a big thing cruelly torturing a little thing just for the hell of it, I lose it.

That's because they're thugs, sadists and basically cowards. They're only brave when they run in packs. Notice this was a group? Notice they didn't even protest when a lone woman rescued this tortured cat?

There's been a lot posted about the kind of pay back we would all like. I kind of favor lashing all of them naked to a long 2 x 4 and using a white-hot branding iron to give them a taste of their own. . . Nobody dies. But then nobody forgets it either.

And I don't labor under the illusion that any such treatment would be in the least bit corrective. Once a thug, always a thug. But it would sure make me feel better.

[cake_crumb]

Wow...is there something wrong with the water in that neighborhood? Who the heck is this Scott woman, and why is she the apparent target? When I read the story first, I thought it'd turn out the guy was stalking Scott, which led to grilling a live kitten....now she's apparently getting death threats instead??

What is Scott's part in all of this REALLY? There's a hunge chunk of the story behind the story that must be missing....not that ANY of it excuses the deliberate torture of any creature.

[Askel5]

Given the integrity and diligence of this site on the pro-life issues (save for Bush's decisions, perhaps), I just find it ludicrous that this story is in breaking news.

It's not so much a dig at the sensibilities of pro-lifers as it is a dig at rank emotion we lavish on cruelty and destruction of animals in contrast to the sort of sanguine Rationality we prefer to use when talking about Collateral Damage or the unborn.

[RobRoy]

A KITTEN is "walking meat" to you?? You mean a locomotive mammal is "walking meat" to you? It's ok to cook them live??

Three questions and three answers:

Yes
Yes
I would a lobster but I wouldn't to a Kitten or chicken or cow - but I wouldn't presume to be able to tell you not to - to your own animal, of course.