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States Brace for Cigarette Backlash/
Yahoo News ^ | 13 July 2002 | DAVID CRARY

Posted on 07/13/2002 6:14:09 PM PDT by SheLion

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To: pariah
Try this site: Ron's Smoke Shop

I've been buying these for some time now:

Broncos are made in Columbia, and they're pretty good in my opinion (I used to smoke Camel Filter Kings).

If I order eight cartons, price per carton delivered via UPS Ground comes to $11.05. Lead time is about 7-8 days.

141 posted on 07/14/2002 6:50:37 AM PDT by Mackey
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To: Doctor Stochastic
The War On Tobacco will be as interesting as the War On Drugs.

The war on tobacco started back in 1999 when Big Tobacco sold us out with the Attorney Generals. From then on, all hell broke loose.

The smoker then became fair game for bans, control, restrictions and higher taxes.

The MSA created a huge honey pot flowing into the states, and the state governments thought they had lost some rich dead uncle, and went bonkers with this money.

The money was to be spent for health care and for any sick smokers, should there be any. But, instead, the state governments spent it on roads, schools, laptops, pet programs, they went WILD. They are all feeding at the trough like fat pigs!! And they can't get enough.

Also, health coalitions sprang up all over touting “Smoke Free Everything.” And “it’s for the kids.” Maine is even using the tax money to sponsor “5” race care teams in Maine! This is a blatant slap in the face to all who pay cigarette taxes!

What most people don't realize is that Big Tobacco isn't paying for the Settlement Money. The smokers are paying it 100% with their taxes!

The higher they tax cigarettes, the more money they thought they would have coming in to keep "feeding on." Now, the smokers are waking up, because who on earth can afford or who would WANT to pay these high ridiculous taxes on a legal product? Smokers are finding much better and cheaper ways to avoid paying into the state coffers. Now the states are screaming bloody murder. It's their own fault. They have shot the goose that laid the golden egg.

142 posted on 07/14/2002 6:52:21 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
"There's no question some large-scale organized crime gangs are involved," said ATF spokesman John D'Angelo. "Not only are these criminals depriving state and federal governments of tax revenue, they're using their profits for other criminal activity."

I wonder when they will bring alcohol prohibition back?

143 posted on 07/14/2002 6:53:00 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Wingy; *all
Also, Ted Kennedy is sponsoring a bill to put tobacco products under the rule of the FDA:

U.S. Senators offer bill regulating tobacco by FDA

Co-sponsor Sen. Edward Kennedy denied the intent was to ban smoking. "This legislation is about protecting children," the Massachusetts Democrat told a news conference. "There are Americans who are going to smoke, and we understand that."

Yes, right, Senator! Wait until they start taxing your TWINKIES!

144 posted on 07/14/2002 6:58:21 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Lois
Help To Start Rolling Your Own
145 posted on 07/14/2002 7:01:13 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: waterstraat
Grat news for indian reservations that sell untaxed cigarettes thru the internet!!!!

This is very just since tobacco use was invented by the Indians. They should have the exclusive rights for trading it.

146 posted on 07/14/2002 7:02:20 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Eaker
Please add me to your ping list too.

Gotcha added. Thanks!!

147 posted on 07/14/2002 7:03:45 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: yoe
Please add me to your "puff" list SheLion.

Gotcha added! Thanks!!

148 posted on 07/14/2002 7:05:18 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: A. Pole
I wonder when they will bring alcohol prohibition back?

NEVER

The Liquor Industry stood up to Big Government. They have pretty much free rein. Notice how they advertise on TV and all the magazines that "so called kiddies" view?

Nope! Alcohol will keep on flowing. They have a big set and won't be touched. Anyway, how many lawmakers do you think tip that bottle behind closed doors. They sure don't want to shoot THAT goose. heh!

149 posted on 07/14/2002 7:08:57 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
I've gotten around the whole tax-issue while reducing my consumption of smokes...and have cut my smoking bill by 75%!

How? I simply "switched" from smoking cigarettes to mini cigars (The kind that come in cigareete-like packs)! It takes a couple of days to get used to the new flavor... but you wind up smoking less...paying less...and are not putting all the "addatives" in your system, so you actually feel better.

I recommend this method without reservation! I can now thumb my nose at the cigarette nazi's without having to play their game! It's amaing the advantages of just removing the "ette" from your cigarette choice!

150 posted on 07/14/2002 7:19:22 AM PDT by grumpster-dumpster
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To: *all

151 posted on 07/14/2002 7:20:38 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: grumpster-dumpster
I've gotten around the whole tax-issue while reducing my consumption of smokes...and have cut my smoking bill by 75%!

I didn't cut my cigarettes, but now we roll our own and get a beautiful carton for under $8 dollars. Can't beat that with a STICK!

152 posted on 07/14/2002 7:22:46 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Smokin' Joe
Next step is growing your own.

Well, living this far NORTH with only three months of summer, if we are lucky, I think it would be really hard to grow our own tobacco..........


153 posted on 07/14/2002 7:24:39 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Sounds like another good plan! (Rolling your own.)

I should have mentioned that the draw-back to my plan is that I have no desire to smoke cigarettes again. The flavor of the mini-cigars is just too good once you get used to the milder/sweeter flavor.

154 posted on 07/14/2002 7:28:16 AM PDT by grumpster-dumpster
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To: grumpster-dumpster
I should have mentioned that the draw-back to my plan is that I have no desire to smoke cigarettes again

Well, that's good! And that's your choice. The way it should be for everyone. But states imposing these rediculous taxes on us is not the way to reduce smoking.

We die hard smokers WILL find a way to keep our legal product that we enjoy in our lives.

Like one guy said: "If it's so bad for our health, why don't they just BAN the damn things."

THAT'S a laugh. Too much money being made and lining the pockets of lawmakers and health coalitions.

155 posted on 07/14/2002 7:32:04 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; ...
Here's a good one:

Smoker's Creed

I smoke because I like to smoke.

I smoke because I want to smoke.

Smoking pleases me.

My life is better because I smoke.

I accept responsibility for all of my actions.

I want the freedom to choose to smoke.

I can choose how to make myself happy.

I own myself.

Smoking is my choice.

156 posted on 07/14/2002 7:33:53 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Gabz
Hey Gabz.

Another quick question for you (I'm lining up my ducks), would a place like a stogie shop have the "stuffing" machine?

RS

157 posted on 07/14/2002 7:38:50 AM PDT by RikaStrom
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To: grumpster-dumpster
How? I simply "switched" from smoking cigarettes to mini cigars (The kind that come in cigareete-like packs)! It takes a couple of days to get used to the new flavor... but you wind up smoking less...paying less...and are not putting all the "addatives" in your system, so you actually feel better.

Or get the pipe. Even cheaper and much better! And a lot of fun.

158 posted on 07/14/2002 7:39:02 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: oldtimer

Recently I was pricing cigarettes in Donetsk, Ukraine. Prices per 'blok' of ten, in Ukrainian Grivny and dollars:

Marlboro Gr 30.90 ($5.94)
Winston Gr 21.90 ($4.21)
Camel Gr 24.00 ($4.62)
Rothman's Gr 47.70 ($9.17)
Three Kings Gr 8.20 ($1.58)
Tu-134 Gr 7.50 ($1.44)
Prima Gr 6.30 ($1.22)
Kozak Gr 4.00 ($0.77)
Belomorkanal (aka BelomorCamel) Gr 3.90 ($0.75)

Not much to do here except smoke, drink, and... er... ;-)


159 posted on 07/14/2002 7:39:25 AM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Gabz; Bella_Bru; Just another Joe
I'd give anything to be there, Bella. It's just not feasible at all.

I can't do Vegas either, I'm already planning CPAC. :-)

160 posted on 07/14/2002 7:41:13 AM PDT by RikaStrom
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