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To: Donna Lee Nardo
I am an Army Desert Storm veteran turned into a peacetime college History professor, married to a Political Science professor(Army vet also) and I have to constantly remind myself that the public school system has, as part of it's charter, an agenda to shape American history towards a particular viewpoint. No where is this more apparent than with regards to the attempt to divorce religious values and beliefs from the Founding Fathers.

The widespread notion that the founding fathers were not religious and Christian is pure bunk revisionist history.

While I intend to post my treatise and examination of this issue, along with my husbands work titled 'Bibles & Gunpowder: The foundations of the American Revolution' (he was the keynote speaker at the SC Freepers Rally last year on this topic) I just want to weigh in on the question with some interesting quotes:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." - Patrick Henry

Someone made the statement inan arlier post that implied that Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian; this is the result of more historical bunk - especially when Jefferson himself identified himself as a Christian:

"A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a
document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of
the doctrines of Jesus, very different from the Platonists, who call me
infidel and themselves Christians and preachers of the gospel, while they
draw all their characteristic dogmas from what its Author never said nor
saw."
--Thomas Jefferson to Charles Thompson, 1816.

Jefferson made a distinction between organized church and religion and made it clear which religion was the basis for a nation of free individuals and true progress:

"The Christian religion, when divested of the rags in which they [the
clergy] have enveloped it, and brought to the original purity and simplicity
of it's benevolent institutor, is a religion of all others most friendly to
liberty, science, and the freest expansion of the human mind."
--Thomas
Jefferson to Moses Robinson, 1801.

I wish I had more time to elaborate - but the baby is crying and I have to run....

bye ya'll!
Katherine Jenerette
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www.jenerette.com


Parting Question: If either Atheists, Wiccans, Hindus or Muslims had been the religions and belief structures of the founding fathers would we have inherited the concepts of individual self government, freedom and rights that we have in our Constitution and the Bill of rights?

In truth - the foundation of legitimacy for our nation of individual rights is based clearly on both Judeao-Chritisan belief structures and principles. If the revisionists and the Neo Tolerant American revolutionaries (read: anti American) can succeed in the separation of the Christian religion(different from church) from our constitutional documents and other American ideals of rights and self determination - this republic will fall... �

34 posted on 07/13/2002 10:12:22 AM PDT by kjenerette
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To: kjenerette
I am an Army Desert Storm veteran...

You, too? HOOAH!

49 posted on 07/13/2002 1:58:49 PM PDT by rdb3
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To: kjenerette; Luis Gonzalez
Well said, Katherine!

Hope all is well with you and your ever-growing family!

Now, about this little debate:

John Adams, our second President, said it even more plainly: “Our Constitution was only made for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Any questions?

BTW, the more times this article is posted, Luis, the better. This is a must read article.

53 posted on 07/13/2002 6:19:59 PM PDT by Taxman
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To: kjenerette
Re: your post #34
Bump for one of the greatest posts I ever read.
77 posted on 07/14/2002 12:28:20 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: kjenerette
The widespread notion that the founding fathers were not religious and Christian is pure bunk revisionist history.
Jefferson denied the divinity of Jesus Christ, Franklin and Paine had doubts. These were not minor founders, but three of the most influential.
While I intend to post my treatise and examination of this issue, along with my husbands work titled 'Bibles & Gunpowder: The foundations of the American Revolution' (he was the keynote speaker at the SC Freepers Rally last year on this topic) I just want to weigh in on the question with some interesting quotes:

"It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here." - Patrick Henry

Patrick Henry never said such a thing. David Barton, who publicized this quote, has admitted he can't document it, or several other quotes he used. Once again I post the link: Unconfirmed Quotations.

Someone made the statement inan arlier post that implied that Thomas Jefferson was not a Christian; this is the result of more historical bunk - especially when Jefferson himself identified himself as a Christian:
Jefferson called himself a Christian largely to mock those he felt had perverted Jesus's teachings. He did not believe Jesus was the Son of God, and he did not believe key parts of the Bible.

Parting Question: If either Atheists, Wiccans, Hindus or Muslims had been the religions and belief structures of the founding fathers would we have inherited the concepts of individual self government, freedom and rights that we have in our Constitution and the Bill of rights?
If Christianity or even Judeo-Christianity had been meant to be the basis of our Constitution, why is neither God nor Jesus so much as mentioned in the document (despite clear chances to do so in the Preamble or Article VI) except for the dubious matter of the date? Why is the right to violate at least three of the Ten Commandments not only tolerated, but explicitly protected?

-Eric

125 posted on 07/15/2002 5:09:36 AM PDT by E Rocc
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