Want to understand Islam? Read on

TownHall.com ^ | 7/10/02 | Marvin Olasky

[THROW?]

By not arguing the point and instead restating what I said and then saying it is lame is attacking my character and my intelligence. If making a comparison of similar quality is not an argument, then it would be impossible to argue because everything is comparable in some way shape or form. I am not thin skinned either. I don't care if someone attacks my argument or even my character for that matter, but give me a reason of why you are doing it. It is just annoying when people get on here and just start with the name calling and no reasoning for what they post.

[THROW?]

Impossible. Islam is a false religion, spawned by Satan himself.

This is an example of what I am talking about. This is completely worthless and irrelevent information. I don't get how people get mad at the dems for their general slander, avoiding the subject, and attacking the person instead of arguing the topic yet we do it so freely here on FR.

[Republic]

I'd like to think a few of these books would make it onto our President's reading list. My own needs one huge dollop of the same. Big time.

[Mark17]

Nothing anyone says or does, can change the fact, that Islam is a religion spawned by Satan himself.

[HangThemHigh]

"I believe the only cure from this 1400 year old Cancer is radical surgery."

I agree in principle, but I think radiation treatment may be more efficacious.

[Clink]

"never shake hands with a Muslim after petting a dog (dogs are considered unclean, but since Muhammad had cats, felines are OK)."


This is enough to convince me that Islam is whacked.

Signed,
Clink (a dog person)

[gitmo]

I took that statement ("Impossible. Islam is a false religion, spawned by Satan himself.") to be in response to your statement "I have a good friend that is Islamic and Christian."

It looked to me like Mark17 was saying the two religions are incompatable. The Bible tells us "No man comes to the Father but by me" and ".. there is one God, one mediator also between God and men, himself man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all ..."

If the testimony of Jesus is true, then Islam is indeed a false religion probably spawned by Satan. Although, I would interject that men can come up with an awful lot of evil on our own without Satan being involved.

I have to agree with you about "how people get mad at the dems for their general slander, avoiding the subject, and attacking the person instead of arguing the topic yet we do it so freely here on FR. " I was shocked at how they behaved on the democratunderground, and I see some of the same on FR. However, I do see thoughtful examinations of issues on FR but not on DU.

So the subject of the post is that Islam is fundamentally a violent, intolerant, hateful religion that suppresses individuality, freedom, love, and attempts to dominate anyone not in Islam. Is that what you are challenging?

[gitmo]

I meant to say that same thing in my tyrade above. I'm a dog person myself and have a wonderful English Bulldog. I resent anyone saying he's unclean.

Except when he's been sniffing another dog's butt, that is.

[RISU]

I don't want to "understand it"

Let's just get rid of it, get it out of the coutnry before it does more damage.

[yianni]

Quran = Qrap

[THROW?]

I think that sects of Islam teach these versions of Islam just as certain sects teach the (Buddhist zen type of Islam of pure peace). I don't deny that many factions teach this hate. My point is that people act as if ALL Islamic people think this way or read these things. In Christianity, we have the "advantage" of naming our different sects so that we can stand back and say, "Hey, that was not our version of Chrisianity that said that."

When you get into the part of using our religious principles to defend your point by using what God said, then you are doing the same thing they are doing (not by killing, but by thinking your religion is the right one).

I don't mean to start another discussion, but have you ever noticed the similarities between Christianity, Eastern religion, Greek and Roman mythology, Islam, etc. Many of these have the same basic principles, they just go about them in different ways. I don't proclaim to know what God thinks or does, but lets say the ONE God of the Universe made a docorine of a certain set of rules and standards to abide by. Now lets pretend that these words were told to millions and millions of people. You would have many, many, many different versions of the same story or doctorine. You would have extremists in both the liberal and conservative versions of this doctorine as well as different names for the same God. Now, the only assumption that we have to operate on in real life is the one God which we already believe in and the rest of the story could very possibly be a reality. Like I said, I am not saying that this is right, but it is something to think about. Why are we so sure that we have it right and everyone else on the face of the planet has it wrong? Again, I am not condoning the actions of terrorists or religious extremists of any brand, I am just saying that we should judge ourselves on the same playing field that we judge others (which we shouldn't be doing anyway if we are Christians).

I also do commend FR for its great debaters and discussions that we have even though we all say and do some stupid things. . . myself included. Did I just say that? :)

[THROW?]

To answer your statement directly, many people that are of that faith find that just as stupid as you and I do. There are people that follow it and people that don't. This is the same as the Christians do in our religion. People choose to follow the aspects of the religion that they agree with. A person with more hate will tend to transfer his/her personality to their god just as a person who is more caring will tend to attribute their personality to their god.

I do appreciate your time and effort that you spent in your argument. It is very valid, but only to those who believe that. This however does not constitute a majority of Islamic people.

As a quick example, dems portray conservatives by pointing out the wacko few and attributing those traits to all, just as many point out the wacko terrorists and attribute those traits to all Islamic people. Islamic people don't need to be "fixed," it is the people that have no value for human life.

[seeker41]

You really need to chill out, nobody called you a name and yes you are blowing this whole thing way out of proportion. I am entitled to my opinion (so is gitmo) and I'm fed up with PC crap. I don't like islam ot it's followers, it is a false religion brewed up by an insane man full of bloodlust and other vile practices. Jesus was not insane,vile or cruel, he NEVER killed anyone or caused anyone harm.

You are now on ignore!

[seeker41]

Yes that is what I meant.

[seeker41]

Might I also add that "The devil (jinn) lives in your nose while you sleep at night, so upon rising you must rinse your nose three times." What a silly thing for the mad hatter to narrate to his followers.

[THROW?]

Christians do pick and choose among the 10 commandments every day. How can you believe in the 10 commandments and covet, say the Lords name in vein, go to church on Sunday (which is not the sabbath), etc. All people pick and choose what they want out of religion. People who believe in peace and Islam don't think that violent Islmists are Islamic, just like the violent ones don't think the peaceful ones are.

Why do people not want to be put into groups when someone is talking about them or their religion, but are fine doing it to other people. The point is that peaceful people are out there, and you can call them whatever you want, but they are Islamic. There are also angry people full of hate and death and you can call them whatever you want, but they too are Islamic.

[THROW?]

Oh no, not ignore. You were so insightful and informative. You are entitled to your own opinion, but you also have the responsibility (in my opinion) for giving a reason for your opinion. That is not being PC, that is just asking you to be rational and logical. Tell me where I said you are not entitled to your opinion or alluded to any PC crap. Maybe you didn't understand what I said earlier, so I will cut and paste it for you to read one more time.

I don't care if someone attacks my argument or even my character for that matter, but give me a reason of why you are doing it. It is just annoying when people get on here and just start with the name calling and no reasoning for what they post.

So to reiterate again, the name calling is fine, but give me a reason. Unless you are Pee Wee Herman, the I know you are but what am I logic doesn't work. You don't like Islam or its followers, and that is fine with me.

I also apoligise for asking you to support your opinion with facts and logic and will not ask you to do it again.

[Mark17]

Yes that is what I meant.

Very interesting, that Genesis 6. I think it was far more evil than meets the eye, unless one does an in depth study of it. After all, the Flood was the result.

[gitmo]

seeker41,
I know what you're saying. Let's just remember 2 things: Most of the followers of Islam are descendents of Abraham & Ishmael. And Jesus voluntarily died for them as well as for all other sinners.

I'm sure you already know this. We all need exhortation, especially in times like these.