NY Health Dept. Issues West Nile Warning

WINS News ^ | 7/6/02

[Maelstrom]

It's been 3 years.

I think the West Nile Virus is a hoax, to be used for justifying additional Police State measures in the next couple of years.

[First_Salute]

Bump.

[areafiftyone]

When the West Nile Virus first hit New York State all the crows were gone. They just disappeared. At first we were finding dead crows all over the place. It really seems to hit birds more than humans. These past two years the crows have made a comeback and seem to be flourishing. I tend to think that the West Nile virus in humans is an allergic reaction to the bite that most humans don't get but there are those few who get a fatal reaction. Sort of like being allergic to Bee stings. But thats just my opinion.

[First_Salute]

Malaria is the actual target.

[First_Salute]

We've a malaria problem; the "higher-ups" are trying to prevent a panic that can attend a "yellow fever" scare.

[Clara Lou]

We do? We have a malaria problem? Please elucidate.

[Clara Lou]

Where's the hoax? West Nile virus has spread from the East Coast to Houston, Texas. (Found in Houston over the last month, or so. Lots of dead birds.) The very young and the elderly are most at risk. How is encephalitis from West Nile virus a hoax?

[Maelstrom]

Encephalitis is a different disease that West Nile supposedly mimics.

I began tracking it *before* it reached the public eye. There were ZERO cases when I first found documentation on it from a liberal government lobbying group.

Since then, I've seen zero cases confirmed, seven cases suspected in NYC, Queens area, and every dead bird is pointed at as "oooooo....West Nile West Nile!".

It's crap.

I live in NY, BTW.

[Maelstrom]

I live in NY. "All the crows" may have disappeared from your area to visit mine.

I did find a dead crow, hit by a car, of course.

I tracked it *before* it was public knowledge and I haven't seen *anything* persuasive.

i.e. Go ahead and eat crow, it isn't going to hurt you due to West Nile.

The number of people "affected" is too small to even register as an identifiable pattern. Read my previous post as well.

[Maelstrom]

Additional government money/power is the real goal.

[First_Salute]

(Not directed at you.)

The doors to this country are wide open.

It is politically incorrect along the northerneastern states to spray in order to kill mosquitos. There is much controversy over what is and what is not "safe" material to spray.

Yellow fever has a history of getting loose on the eastern seaboard; its presence being more expected than malaria, based on historical experience.

People have been flocking into the U.S.A. ever since the events of Sept. 11, 2001; the most conservative number is around 481,000; the most liberal estimate is just over 2,000,000.

Some carry malaria; some carry yellow fever; mosquitos come too; but moreover, the mosquitos here are unbiased and will consume either virus without prejudice.

Spreading it via their larvae.

For a time, D.D.T. was used to knock down malaria and yellow fever (and a host of others), but D.D.T. has become politically incorrect. Too bad, because the alternative chemicals have since elicited even more angst from the greens.

Lots of chatter while the mosquitos go about their business.

Now, if we are to knock out malaria and convince people of the necessity to spray, should I tell you that we are after (1) yellow fever, (2) malaria, or (3) West Nile Virus?

Well, any of the three we go after, will get a lot of the other, so I will tell you first the least deadly is the target ... and then later, when you are not listening because enough people have not yet died, I will tell you the next more serious.

Trouble is, which is that?

Malaria sounds terrible, but yellow fever is perhaps the more immediately deadly.

Well who ever heard of such a thing? What is the purpose; to cause panic?

Nope. Hard fact is, if we fail to subdue the mosquitos, these three diseases will "gain."

In the old days, big cities on the east coast used to literally vacate. (Currently, in Charleston, SC, they have the presence of mind to spray all the time; and they had better.)

Having said all that, the immediate answer to your question can be found by pounding down the door at the C.D.C.; I can tell you for certain that they will be lying to you if they say that malaria is not in the country.

It is.

But I'm just a dumb clerk, and I wouldn't know much beyond what the "experts" will tell you.

Those would be the same experts who fancy that they know how to run a war against terrorism, directed against everybody's grandmother.

In my humble opinion; you could quote me, but I would have to say that I am just guessing.

[Clara Lou]

My answer will be short: We definitely need to pull out the DDT. I thought that when I thought West Nile virus was our only problem. If we are going to be dealing with other mosquito-born diseases, then it's imperative.

[areafiftyone]

Like I said I think it affected birds mostly. A severe reaction in humans is like an allergy (rare). I don't think its a thing to worry about either. I tend to agree with you. Where in New York do you live? I live in Westchester and we have a heavy crow and bird population. Believe me you know when they are not around because you don't hear them screaming in the morning waking you up (I don't even need an alarm clock) ;-)

[First_Salute]

Bacteriological Warfare components of this type, are especially now, not something to wait for fruition.

Bacteriological Warfare components in the hands of the Islamic "world" that follows a God who Hates, may be relied upon to be delivered by ways conducive for mosquitos to spread such diseases, yellow fever, malaria, and West Nile Virus, to name three which would ring a bell via the news media.

Saddam and Iraq are known carriers; but please add the other known dilettantes (lovers of the fine art of killing people):

Communist Cuba / Fidel Castro

Red China

North Korea

--- the Axis of Terrorism.

These carriers are a sore point for the menu-driving leftist political moment who would save bugs before you --- see the remarks of Reed Noss, the poster boy of environmentalist wackos and author of "The Wildlands Project," says "... the collective needs of non-human species must take precedence over the needs and desires of humans" at Trouble brewing in Florida's swamps: Henry Lamb explains why property owners are fighting mad, WorldNetDaily, July 7, 2002 (posted by JohnHuang2).

Their years of crying out in protest to ostensibly save the environment from applying bug-killer, has accounted an expense of millions of people who have died from malaria in southern Asia, Africa, and Central and South America --- but who is to notice? when such socialist acts for votes are not judged by the left as anything but spiritual purification before their altar (thank you joanie-f).

It would please our nationalizing socialist leftists (Hillary Clinton, her court: attorneys, Strobe Talbot, et al) to not spray, get votes, let people die, and later read the newspaper op-eds about what we should have done back in the Summer of 2002, because that is what liberals do: experiment with human life on large scales, all errors washed down the drains, examples: the malaria dead and the10s of millions of aborted babies, bye-bye, out of sight and never on the mind.

Yet a weapon of mass destruction, when it comes to biology, is the mosquito; and we now face the serious prospect, beginning this month, that we either kill it or it kills us.

However, the historical evidence is in, regarding how the Democrat Party's political momenti will rule the fate of mankind, their inclinations to date: Utopia is found by fratricidal maniacs; the people must first die or otherwise suffer en masse to get to permanent dependency --- that's correct, it cannot be achieved.

Just swell; therefore in the meanwhile suffering our directorates, that we might live, requires that enough well-minded people still be alive to observe and then put a stop to the madness by applying bug-killer, let alone voting out the fratricidal maniacs.

Firearms will not protect you.

Backyard bug bombs might.

Some people like Cutters; I prefer OFF.

[mewzilla]

I suspect it has something to do with how well your immune system can fight of an infection with the virus, which is why the elderly and the immune compromised seem to be at highest risk. That's who I'd worry most about.

[Maelstrom]

I live in the middle of nowhere. The best way to describe it is to identify nearby areas.

If you draw a triangle from Ithaca (It really is THE City of Evil), Elmira, and Watkins Glen, I'm more or less in the center of it.

It isn't as wild as say the Catskills, but it's country. One of my neighbors has a problem with bear breaking into his home.

Birds all over the place. Barn Swallows are doing quite well...and they eat mosquitoes and other biting insects voraciously and they aren't the only insect-eating birds without problems. We never had a problem losing crow, except when they stayed too long between the yellow and white lines, if you catch my drift.

I wouldn't put it past the CDC to poison roadkill, kill off some crows and start a panic with "West Nile Virus".

Let me ask you, though, would you expect a higher incidence of "West Nile Virus" among the city population, or among the rural population centers with nearby "Wetlands"? (read: federally mandated swamps)

[Maelstrom]

It's the liberals pushing this "West Nile Virus" scare.

The first contact I had with it was in Ithaca, while working for an agency that feeds NY State it's marching orders on environmental activist issues. It masquerades as a "research" center and "information" distribution center.

And again...I can't repeat this often enough...I had the West Nile Virus papers in my hands long before there was a scare.

[mewzilla]

All skeeters need to breed is a wee bit of stagnant water. That's not hard to come by in a city. Add to that a high population count, possibly better diagnosing and reporting, and it's not hard to see why you could find a higher incidence of infection in the city.

[Maelstrom]

Most cities already spray.

I visit Buffalo quite often...nary a skeeter to be seen.