Why in the world would I have ever wanted to "avoid" this discussion? I sometimes use words like a fisherman throws chum into likely waters, just to see what slimy aquatic life might be around. And, I got a creelful this time.
There's a term used in the legal profession known as "Asked and Answered." I have said repeatedly in this thread that rape, murder, or any other crime against the person is completely unacceptable no matter who commits it, and won't say it again. If that wording doesn't fit your template, then go hire a linguist or buy a parrot.
Further, there has been no substantiation by anyone that Muslim beliefs or some dark flaw in Islam were directly responsible for the girl's rape. For every "damning" out-of-context phrase that some mook can crowbar out of the Koran to try to prove some twisted point, I can provide 5 that come right out of the Holy Bible that make all Christians look like slack-jawed yokels whose family trees don't fork.
If you have proof that Islam as a religion or Muslims as a culture approve of rape, then bring it. If not, zip it or go find a cheese thread or a drug war thread somewhere (but I repeat myself) to play in.
I do not need to justify my beliefs or the facts to the bigots participating in this thread. Posters such as these are the ones giving FR a bad name.
A major dark flaw in Islam involves the unwillingness of the majority of Muslims to voice criticism about a fellow Muslim to a non-Muslim.
General statements about "terrorism is bad" or "rape is bad" are OK, but I hardly ever hear a Muslim publicly say "I condemn _____'s acts", (unless the complaint is about a Muslim being overly tolerant of infidels). It's a flaw that's also present in Black culture to an extent: solidarity with the group is more important than universal principals of justice.
The West began to emerge from the Middle Ages when people decided that just because a religious authority proclaimed something, that didn't, of itself, make it true. Islam will not emerge from barbarism until it is safe for a Muslim to say, to an audience of Muslims and non-Muslims, "I think my imam is a hypocritical fool. "
It doesn't help when thinly-veiled racist comments such as found on #298 were left alone.
I can't imagine. That said, why is it so difficult for you to answer this question:
Do you condemn the Muslims who sentenced that teenage girl to be gang raped for something her brother did?
Yes or no?
Yes or no? You can't answer "Yes," can you? Come on...a simple "Yes," and I will agree to wash your car for a year.
You can't say it, can you? Because you are not allowed to, according to Islam.
let's see the one word answer: "Yes." You can't say it.
Everyone: watch and learn.