Gang-rape of teenager ordered as punishment for brother's sins

ABCNewsOnline ^ | 7/2/02 | Anon

[BlackVeil]

You ask: "Do you condemn the Muslims who sentenced that teenage girl to be gang raped for something her brother did?"

Yes, indeed I condemn them. Wholeheartedly.

[Taxula]

I don't know if it is thinking so much as questioning information that comes from two sources I most mistrust.......Communist and Government.

[strela]

What an illuminating article. Thank you for posting it.

The silence from the usual "Islam is evil" crowd is deafening. But then again, the fact that the real civil authorities in Pakistan might find this crime to be as repugnant and evil as the rest of us do doesn't fit into their bigoted paradigm of Blame Islam First. If nothing else, you've managed to render the baying hyenas in this thread a bit less shrill and annoying.

[BlackVeil]

'silence from the usual "Islam is evil' crowd is deafening." Indeed. But not as deafening as their response to the terrible story of Joan Vollmer, related by me in post 220. Violence in the name of religion is not a thing of the past, unfortunately, and even Christianity is not exempt. The faster everyone faces up to this and acknowledges it, the better it will be.

[strela]

Violence in the name of religion is not a thing of the past, unfortunately, and even Christianity is not exempt.

Pure gold, this comment.

Until we invent a device that can truly look into people's hearts, I find it hard to take anyone solely at their word that they are a (fill in the name of your favorite religious sect here). People who commit violence in the name of their creator may tithe, may attend church/temple/mosque, may dress the part, and may even solemnly rub blue mud into their navels like everyone around them. But I refuse to believe that a creator worthy of the name would instruct Her disciples to mindlessly murder in His name.

[MonroeDNA]

"Yes, indeed I condemn them. Wholeheartedly"

Thanks for your honesty, BlackVeil. Strela and Cultural Jihad can't say that, for some reason. Perhaps they are prevented somehow from condemning the gang rapists, who did it in front of a crowd, and made the innocent teenage girl walk home naked.

Not to be an inquisition, but if a certain religion forbids condemning the Muslims responsible for those attrocious acts, then that religion needs to be examined carefully. I don't care if they are Bhudists, Catholics, or Druids.

Do you agree?

[Cultural Jihad]

Unsubscribe from your screeds. No rational person approves of rape, but you seem to have the same tribal group-victim and group-rights mindset as these tribal rapists do. Failure to jump through your hoops is in no way an endorsement of your clownish act.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

No rational person approves of rape

Good. Then answer his question:

"Do you condemn the Muslims who sentenced that teenage girl to be gang raped for something her brother did?"

Yes or no?

[Jhoffa_]

"Do you condemn the Muslims who sentenced that teenage girl to be gang raped for something her brother did?"

You know, I think you should stop profiling muslims and be a little more respectful of other cultures.

(/sarcasm)

[Cultural Jihad]

Unsubscribe from your screeds. No rational person approves of rape, but you seem to have the same tribal group-victim and group-rights mindset as these tribal rapists do. Failure to jump through your hoops is in no way an endorsement of your clownish act, either.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I don't recall seeing a yes or a no there. Your continued avoidance of this question and counterattack is transparent and getting to the point of laughable. However, I do know that you slipped and admitted to another poster that you are Muslim, so I understand why you refuse to answer the question. It's much better to be honest than to lie and lose any credibility you might have otherwise had.

[Cultural Jihad]

However, I do know that you slipped and admitted to another poster that you are Muslim, ...

Of course you will not be able to document where that exchange took place, but since you stated it, you will either have to provide a link to it, or issue an apology. I won't be holding my breath waiting for either instance, since you are obviously an unhonorable individual.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Of course you will not be able to document where that exchange took place

You're right. That's because you said it in a freepmail and you know that.

you are obviously an unhonorable individual.

I think you've got the lock on that. You shouldn't be ashamed of your belief system if you truly believe in it.

[BlackVeil]

"if a certain religion forbids condemning the Muslims responsible for those attrocious acts, then that religion needs to be examined carefully." Needs to be examined carefully? Needs to be thrown in the bin, because it is rubbish. I do not mind answering your question Monroe, and I don't consider it jumping through a hoop, CJ. Or it if it is a hoop, I have got quite nimble at it. In recent years, I have been confronted again and again, in the rudest terms, (by rude I don't mean you Monroe, I mean goldengirl), asking me do I "approve" of this sex crime or that one. Especially by priests. And the answer is always, no I do not approve.

I do not know anyone who does approve. There was case in the early 90s, some Anglican minister whose daughter was raped. He announced that he "forgave" them - judge not and ye shall not be judged ... etc. - and the British judge gave them a lenient sentence because he found that the woman had recovered well. Ugh! No, I don't agree.

I probably should have begun my response to that Pakistani story by saying that I condemn the Muslim perpetrators, and also those who aided and abetted them. I take it for granted that such people are guilty under both secular and religious laws. To me, that goes without saying. Also, I don't expect that they will really be brought to justice in Pakistan.

That is deplorable, but before I rush off to some tribal village in the Kush, to help my brother with that mote in his eye, I must see that sexual offenses are absolutely rife in my own country, which is Australia, and no one cares unless the perpetrators happen to be members of an ethnic minority, or the Catholic clergy. Only two months ago, a W.A. man who raped a very young girl (a toddler) then incited a 15 y.o. relative to also assault her, went before the courts. He got the minimum sentence, and will be out in a few years. It happens again and again. I see the same trends in the USA. You must realise that the behaviour of the barbaric tribesmen is very similar to that of biker gangs - a American invention.

In an earlier post, Cultural Jihad pointed out that one of the most destructive trends in modern society is the secular attack on morality. This is true. Illegitimate births, immodest dress, public drunkeness, permissive sex, promotion of deviancy, are tearing us to bits. In the future, sex criminals and psychopaths will be absolutely common, because such people are produced by childhoods where they are exposed to pornography, violence and serial "step fathers." For whole swathes of society, this is now the norm.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

(by rude I don't mean you Monroe, I mean goldengirl)

It's customary to ping someone when you are talking about them, especially behind their back. That's rude.

before I rush off to some tribal village in the Kush, to help my brother with that mote in his eye, I must see that sexual offenses are absolutely rife in my own country, which is Australia,

It's a plank BTW. It's also happening within the Muslim population in the Phillipines, Sudan, Holland and Denmark. Are the tribesmen migrating there? It may be endemic within a culture but it appears to be endemic within the religion.

And thanks for identifying who your brothers are.

[strela]

It's customary to ping someone when you are talking about them, especially behind their back. That's rude.

Well, there's a horselaugh - someone who wants to incinerate an entire culture based solely on the actions of a few of its adherents, whining about "rude" behavior.

You owe me a new irony meter. Mine just exploded after parsing your post.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

someone who wants to incinerate an entire culture

Where did I say that?

[Cultural Jihad]

It's customary to ping someone when you are talking about them, especially behind their back. That's rude.

Almost as rude as lying about freepmail, as you did, O dishonorable one.

[Cultural Jihad]

Where did I say that?

Well, as anyone can claim ... it was in a freepmail! Sheesh.

[strela]

However, I do know that you slipped and admitted to another poster that you are Muslim

(Cultural Jihad) Of course you will not be able to document where that exchange took place

You're right. That's because you said it in a freepmail and you know that.

You claimed that Cultural Jihad "slipped and admitted to another poster" that he or she is a Muslim. How could you possibly know what CJ said to this mysterious, unnamed "another poster" in a Freepmail? Unless of course you yourself were the aforementioned "another poster," in which case I find it very odd that you would refer to yourself as "another poster" instead of "me."

You wouldn't be stretching the truth just a teensy weensy little bit here, would you?