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Response to the deleted thread "The Talibanation of America"
Self | 6/29/02 | Richard Axtell

Posted on 06/29/2002 11:31:53 AM PDT by Richard Axtell

Standard rant from the losing side, clinging to a discredited ideology based on fraud and false hopes. "Republicans are America's Taliban, blah, blah.(yawn)." Plus, the predictable "quotations" from the 1st ammendment..."Of course it's unconstitutional as it violates the First Amendment and the founding father's assertion that the separation of church and state must be observed." Of course the phrase "under God" doesn't violate the first amendment, the 9th court's ruling however does. He does draw back his clumsy foot before stepping in it by not claming that the 1st amendment actually uses the term "separation of church and state". He mentions the founding father's "assertion"... that must be "observed." At this point I was in a quandary as to which kind of leftist this person was; a deceiver (liar) or one of the deceived (gullible)?

The outright distortion and shredding of the English language has become just about the favorite tactic of the ideological left, in their fevered campaign to fool the public and destroy what remains of any value system that once was the shared strength of our nation. Anti-religious extremists like this person have twisted the meaning of selected articles of the Constitution to support their very un constitutional agenda, while at the same time totally ignoring the complete content and original intent of the document. There is nothing about "separation of church and state" in the Constitution, and there never has been. The phrase appears in one letter by Jefferson to a Baptist minister, and has been consistently misused and taken out of context by a socialist ideologues to undermine the moral authority of religion in general.

No other support for the what amounts to suppression of religion by the state can be found anywhere in the Federalist Papers, diaries, or correspondence of any of the founding fathers I have ever heard of. The "establishment clause" has been so perverted as to now be interpreted as meaning that anything short of outright suppression of religion constitutes it's establishment. Common sense has long been forgotten, by atheist-leftist-anti-religious bigots, their counterparts in the judiciary, and the sheep like public that has acquiesced to this subversion of the 1st amendment for more than 40 years. Their argument falls apart upon scrutiny. This atheist fraud so resembles the phony argument about militias vs individual citizens in the second amendment that it is high time it was recognized as such and put to rest, forever.

We have all allowed this fraud to continue on too long. Arm yourself with an understanding of the actual wording, content, and intent of the Constitution, and relentlessly resist the darkening pall of lies and corruption that this author so well represents. If duty means anything to conservatives and libertarians, they will take this advise to heart.

"The fix was in from the start. In order to deflect criticism from the Supreme Court's ruling that is intended to sound the death knell for public education..."

Essentially, he tells us now that the whole act of doing the right thing in his eyes, was to deflect attention away from the Supreme Court's voucher decision. Sorry, but I seriously doubt if any of the idiotic, thread bare, and factually disproven cliché arguments against vouchers will go unused in the coming weeks by leftist educrat apartchiks because of Goodwin's bigoted and extremist decision of the day before. Clearly, here we have another case of the conspiratorial left assuming conspiracies against them everywhere, for the simple reason that they are essentially unacquainted with the concept of forthright discussion of issues, and literally know no other way of advancing their agenda but by subversion and deceit.

"The Talibanization of America continues unabated, come hell or high water; come global warming or forest fires; come Enron or World Com; come NBA draft or eternal war against Terra."

Despite the frequent attempts at sarcasm and irony by the author, he ultimately answers my earlier question with this banal and empty statement. He is definitely one of the deceived, the mention of global warming proves that to me. When one perpetually inhabits a fantasy land of one's own creation, as this true believer in nothing seemingly does... mendacity becomes veracity, if for nothing else than sake of keeping those imaginary gates to reality tightly shut.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: atheistideology; fraud; pledge; undergod
Just wanted to share my thoughts on this topic in general, and so I chose this thread to post them. But, poof, it was gone... so, why let such superb prose go to waste?
1 posted on 06/29/2002 11:31:54 AM PDT by Richard Axtell
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To: Richard Axtell
Originally the word liberal meant social conservatives who advocated growth and progress---mostly technological(knowledge being absolute/unchanging)based on law--reality... UNDER GOD---the nature of GOD/man/govt. does not change. These were the Classical liberals...founding fathers-PRINCIPLES---stable/SANE scientific reality/society---industrial progress...moral/social character-values GROWTH!
2 posted on 06/29/2002 11:39:24 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Richard Axtell
The outright distortion and shredding of the English language has become just about the favorite tactic of the ideological left, in their fevered campaign to fool the public and destroy what remains of any value system that once was the shared strength of our nation.

You make two excellent points. The first is the above.

The second, puts the ideologically bankrupt leftist bedwetters into two categories: Those who deliberately lie to advance their agenda, and those who bought the lies and help perpetuate them (the fools.)

Frankly, it doesn't matter one iota to me if one of these ideologically bankrupt, limp-wristed liberal bedwetters know they're lying or not. It simply doesn't matter. We all have the ability to find the TRUTH. Liberals make the choice NOT TO, in order to further their own agenda. The phrase "if you tell a big enough lie long enough, eventually even you begin to believe it" certainly applies.

Leftist Lemmings.

3 posted on 06/29/2002 11:42:06 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: Richard Axtell
Great reading!..
Sorry that I missed the deleted thread
4 posted on 06/29/2002 12:15:42 PM PDT by LuigiBasco
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To: Richard Axtell; LuigiBasco
DU troll posted the thread, and was bragging about it over there. He's history and so is the thread.
5 posted on 06/29/2002 12:48:46 PM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Richard Axtell
We have all allowed this fraud to continue on too long. Arm yourself with an understanding of the actual wording, content, and intent of the Constitution, and relentlessly resist the darkening pall of lies and corruption that this author so well represents. If duty means anything to conservatives and libertarians, they will take this advise to heart.

This is the key.

6 posted on 06/29/2002 12:52:08 PM PDT by swheats
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To: Richard Axtell
Well said.
7 posted on 06/29/2002 12:54:02 PM PDT by semaj
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To: Richard Axtell
All of these arguments regarding some mythical seperation of church and state grossly fail in one crucial aspect. These so-called readers of the Constitution don't understand proper English, nor do they know the definition of the plain English words used in the text.

The statement "Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion..." does not even imply a seperation of church (or religion) and state. The two words "an establishment" means that Congress shall not infringe on any established religion.

If the Founders wanted to have "seperation" of church and state, they would have used "the" in front of the word "establishment", instead of "an". This country was founded by Christians with Christian values in mind, a fact so stated by a number of the original founders.

To try to seperate our goverment from the religious values that were the foundation of creating it, is simply the masturbatory dream of illiterate Socialists.

8 posted on 06/29/2002 1:12:25 PM PDT by wcbtinman
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To: Richard Axtell
The outright distortion and shredding of the English language has become just about the favorite tactic of the ideological left...

Of course.

Otherwise, how could you debate what the meaning of the word "is" is?

9 posted on 06/29/2002 1:15:23 PM PDT by DuncanWaring
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To: wcbtinman
"an establishment" means that Congress shall not infringe on any established religion.

What facinates me is the irony of having people who oppose things like voucher money (to parents) for religious schools turn right around and claim a constitutional need to regulate those religious schools because of the money.

If that isn't infringing, I don't know what is.

10 posted on 06/29/2002 1:49:30 PM PDT by Tom Bombadil
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To: usconservative
And why the lies are accepted so readily: the end justifies the means (to utopia).
11 posted on 06/29/2002 2:36:31 PM PDT by A Navy Vet
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To: Tom Bombadil
"If that isn't infringing, I don't know what is."

This is what the un-Constitutional Dept of Education is all about. I was heartened when Bush indicated that he might abolish this department during the campaign.

Of course, that was a lie just like most of the other positions he took to get elected. The govt is just going to keep on keepin' on until the pot boils over...and we all lose everything in the process.

12 posted on 06/29/2002 5:32:29 PM PDT by wcbtinman
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To: Admin Moderator
DU troll posted the thread, and was bragging about it over there.

So many morons....so little time.

13 posted on 06/29/2002 6:29:32 PM PDT by Valin
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