Justice Thomas Slams Liberals in Voucher Opinion

Cornell Law Review ^ | 6/27/02 | Justice Clarence Thomas

[madison46]

wow.

[VOA]

The constitution is whatever the judges say it is.

...IF they can enforce what they say.

IIRC, President Andrew Jackson successfully ignored the court in some of their
rulings concerning the Five Civilized Tribes.
I'm not a lawyer, but I think Jackson ignored some Supreme Court rulings that should
have negated the siezing of lands held by The Five Civilized Tribes.

My vague recollection was that when somebody told him that he couldn't possibly
ignore the Supreme Court holdings, Jackson said something along the lines of
"let them enforce their ruling"...and he proceeded to ignore the men in the dresses.

I stand ready to be corrected (and/or chastized by someone who knows more of this history.

[rudypoot]

"I'm not an Uncle Tom. . .. I'm going to be here for 40 years. For those who don't like it, get over it."

-Clarence Thomas. Washington Post, (October 28, 1994)

[Common Tator]

but the decision will lead to tax dollars supporting American Islamic fundamentalist schools

Your implication is that Muslims are superior. You are saying that if Muslims educate their young in their doctrince with tax dollars and we educate our younsters in our doctrine with tax dollars, then our children will grow up to be defeated by Muslims.

The other side of your argument is that if Muslim children and our Childern are both eductated in socialist govenment schools our kids and the Muslim kids will become good little socialist liberals together. Perhaps you think they could learn to sing the "BARNEY" song together.

They would until the Muslim kid wore his dynamite jacket to school.

Unless you are saying that Muslims are inherently evil, Muslims raising their kids to be Muslims is not a lot different than Catholics raising their kids to be Catholics, or Protestants raising their kids to be Protestants or Atheists rasing their kids to be Atheists. The problem is public schools teach kids that they are to docile subjects of the power structure. Public education sets them up to be conquered by any people with the will to do it. The Muslims don't have the way... but they do have the will.

If we don't want to go the way of the Soviet Union we must end our socialist school system. And if the result of this ruling is that all parents get to raise their chilren as they want, then Muslims raising the their children to to be Muslims doesn't frighten me at all. A government school system teaching my grandchilren and Muslim children to be socialist slaves bothers me a lot.

[Faraday]

frmrda, Excellent post that has provoked a most educational and informed discussion.

...he'll become chief justice...

mhking, I agree. But this (and other SC appointments by Bush) will be WAR. We had best get prepared.

[Illbay]

Are you sure that is from his opinion? It sounds more like a speech he would give. I'm not sure that SC opinions, even those writing for "themselves" and not for the court, sound like this.

[ContraryMary]

So what was the voting breakdown and what was the decision?

[Check_Your_Premises]

Amen. I just don't think you can say it enough. Thomas Sowell is simply the second greatest living American. (Ronald Reagan is first)

Thomas Sowell will be remembered for centuries for his ground breaking work, and the intellectual foundations he laid opposing leftist dogma.

Has anyone noticed that the greatest conservatives (anti-leftists) are black. I think it has an awful lot to do with the gauntlet they run from genuine racism to all the leftist poverty pimps. To be black and conservative in present day America represents the epitome of intellectual courage.

[EggsAckley]

HUGE bump ttt

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Clarence Thomas quotes Thomas Sowell.

During Thomas' confirmation hearings Ted Kennedy scornfully bruited the possibility that Thomas might be a friend of Sowell's.

Thomas had to sit there and say nothing.
That was then, this is now . . .

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Where in the Constitution is public education mentioned? I seem to have missed it...

Actually, if you get down to brass tacks, the whole court case was about how not whether the First Amendment applies to the city of Cleveland. Few question the whether, these days, tho the First Amendment of course addresses itself specifically to limiting the role of "Congress." But of course there were established churches in some of the 13 original states when the Constitution and Bill of Rights were ratified. And for decades afterward . . .

The lefties want to extend the "establishment" clause so far as to moot the "free exercise" clause of the First Amendment. This decision didn't help them . . .

[Always Right]

'should be the new civil rights issue for the 2000's, with conservatives leading the charge for once......

The GOP lead the charge in the civil war and in the civil rights acts of 1964 and 1965. This will be no different, and the Dems will claim credit after the fact.

[Orbiter]

I applaud this decision, evident as it is of an interruption of our society's 30-year pendulum swing toward the Left. However, even as the pendulum's momentum becomes checked and will return toward the center, Conservatives and the near-Right alike should well-remember the effect of and reaction to compounded extreems and excesses.

[YankeeReb]

Without having read his full opinion, I would essentially agree, although I'm yet a little uneasy over the emphasis on minorities and his nibbling around the edges of the "poverty causes crime" bit.

I didn't read it that way, I read it as more of a slap in the face of the left. He's essentially throwing their B.S. right back at them when he says "...If society cannot end racial discrimination, at least it can arm minorities with the education to defend themselves from some of discrimination’s effects" ..In other words he's telling the left to put up or shut up.

[Intolerant in NJ]

We should make sure vouchers are not the main issue, but rather quality education...clearly quality education is the issue, but that's such a general and vague goal that I think any politician who tries to talk about it without specifics as to what it means and how to get there is quickly going to lose his/her audience. Vouchers have at least two advantages in improving education - they permit some children trapped in failing schools to switch to more effective ones, and this in turn should put pressure on the bad schools to shape up. So many blacks apparently in favor of vouchers gives Repubs a unique opportunity to publicize their support for this practical approach to better education, and maybe even change some of those votes that have been going relentlessly to the Dims. SCOTUS has opened the door wide, and I hope the Repubs waste no time in jumping through....

[onedoug]

Rather, how about: "...If society cannot end educational discrimination, at least it can arm everyone with the educated choice to defend themselves from some of discrimination’s effects"

[snopercod]

Clarence Thomas has shown that he's forgotten that he's black...

That sentence alone explains the thinking of the majority of blacks in this country - and many whites, too. They don't see "the government" as a group of people hired by them to protect their rights, but as a sugar daddy who gives them things.