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6-16-02 | wasfree

Posted on 06/16/2002 5:32:24 AM PDT by magnum opus dejure

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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
In the case of Enemy Combatants: we shoot first, and ask questions later

What a simple world. Or we capture and question them.

1,061 posted on 06/16/2002 10:26:12 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: A Citizen Reporter
Sleep deprivation was a favorite tool of the Gestapo and KGB. parsy.
1,062 posted on 06/16/2002 10:27:01 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
I guess I will have to lead you to water

An early controversy revolved about the issue of the President's powers and the necessity of congressional action when hostilities are initiated against us rather than the Nation instituting armed conflict. The Bey of Tripoli, in the course of attempting to extort payment for not molesting United States shipping, declared war upon the United States, and a debate began whether Congress had to enact a formal declaration of war to create a legal status of war. President Jefferson sent a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean to protect our ships but limited its mission to defense in the narrowest sense of the term. Attacked by a Tripolitan cruiser, one of the frigates subdued it, disarmed it, and, pursuant to instructions, released it. Jefferson in a message to Congress announced his actions as in compliance with constitutional limitations on his authority in the absence of a declaration of war.1422 Hamilton espoused a different interpretation, contending that the Constitution vested in Congress the power to initiate war but that when another nation made war upon the United States we were already in a state of war and no declaration by Congress was needed.1423 Congress thereafter enacted a statute authorizing the President to instruct the commanders of armed vessels of the United States to seize all vessels and goods of the Bey of Tripoli ''and also to cause to be done all such other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war will justify . . .''1424 But no formal declaration of war was passed, Congress apparently accepting Hamilton's view.1425

1,063 posted on 06/16/2002 10:27:13 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
Affirmation of War.

Congress has authorized our President to act. Squirmy.

1,064 posted on 06/16/2002 10:27:27 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: habs4ever
means being a moral equivocator, doesn't it?

In what way am I a moral equivocator?

1,065 posted on 06/16/2002 10:27:45 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Texasforever
You know what they say about not being able to force them to drink.
1,066 posted on 06/16/2002 10:28:13 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
The nice thing about Ron Paul is, alone among Congressmen, he NEVER signs a blank check.

Ever.

Unless you are a quarterly estimated income tax payer; Rep. Paul has no problem declaring war on them.

H. R. 4855

Proposed legislation:

SEC. 4. MONTHLY PAYMENTS OF ESTIMATED TAXES.

(a) IN GENERAL- Subsection (c) of section 6654 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to estimated income tax for individuals) is amended to read as follows:

`(c) NUMBER OF REQUIRED INSTALLMENTS; DUE DATES- For purposes of this section--

`(1) PAYABLE MONTHLY- There shall be 12 required installments for each taxable year, one for each calendar month.

`(2) TIME FOR PAYMENT OF INSTALLMENTS- The due date for each required installment shall be the 15th day of the following month.'

1,067 posted on 06/16/2002 10:28:47 PM PDT by Too_Bad
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To: mrsmith
Bush has a Constitutional, and broad, authority.

To punish particular Murderers, yes.

the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001

That's actually pretty definite and specific.

9-11-01. Go after 'em.

I'm for it. And that is all that is authorized.

1,068 posted on 06/16/2002 10:29:22 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: Howlin
Is it okay with you if we incorporate that into your opus, which will, of course, be written by a "new screenname" or a friend of yours after you pass from this place?

Sure,but I don't think his skin is that thin. But if I'm wrong,have at it!

1,069 posted on 06/16/2002 10:29:44 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: parsifal
Have you seen pictures of him? He looks half way there already. But he can sleep, trust me, you can learn to sleep through anything. But they do have to be able to see him at all times. Not just for his sake but for ours. Can you imagine the screams from France if he died in US custody?

a.cricket

1,070 posted on 06/16/2002 10:30:03 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"(those old Founders just get proven Right over and over and over)"

Yes, Adams and Jefferson had good reasons for NOT getting a general declaration of war ( especially Adams).

I'm glad you approve!

Of course there are also good reasons for a DOW, depending on the circumstances.

1,071 posted on 06/16/2002 10:30:14 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: Roscoe
Congress has authorized our President to act. Squirmy.

"War" cleans up a lot of Constitutional gray areas between "citizens" and "combatatants".

Fact.

1,072 posted on 06/16/2002 10:30:53 PM PDT by OrthodoxPresbyterian
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To: parsifal
Why is everybody so mad at each other on this thread?

Because damn near everybody is operating on emotion,not logic.

1,073 posted on 06/16/2002 10:31:11 PM PDT by sneakypete
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To: mrsmith
Congressional act in support of President Adams' undeclared war:
Congressional act in support of President Jefferson's undeclared war:
Congressional act in support of President Bush's undeclared war:

One, two, three strikes. Right across the plate.

1,074 posted on 06/16/2002 10:31:14 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: another cricket
Let France scream. Cheese eating surrender monkeys. Uh Oh --Its 12:31 here. Gots to go to bed. Night all. Shantih. Shantih. Shantih. parsy.
1,075 posted on 06/16/2002 10:32:13 PM PDT by parsifal
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To: parsifal
Parsy, you are so sweet, you ought to have played Father Flannigan.Maybe you want to try your luck being a Warden instead?
1,076 posted on 06/16/2002 10:32:45 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: Howlin
You haven't seemed to need my permission to post misinformation before...

Post it, Howlin.

1,077 posted on 06/16/2002 10:32:47 PM PDT by MileHi
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To: zip
zip you are a real freeper!

Why are all of you folks posting when no one is here?

over a 1000 post weird!

I a sure this weirdo is back on Free Republic under another name until he gets out of line again!

1,078 posted on 06/16/2002 10:32:52 PM PDT by restornu
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To: OrthodoxPresbyterian
"War" cleans [SIC] up a lot of Constitutional gray areas between "citizens" and "combatatants". [SIC]

That post didn't "clear up" anything at all.

1,079 posted on 06/16/2002 10:34:15 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: sneakypete
Because damn near everybody is operating on emotion,not logic.

I love "logic" when are you going to post some?

1,080 posted on 06/16/2002 10:34:41 PM PDT by Texasforever
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