Bush Security Plan Parallels Clinton-Gore Proposal

CNSNews.com ^ | June 10, 2002 | Jeff Johnson

[Demidog]

Curious.

[Demidog]

If you're around could you ping this?

[Demidog]

fyi

[bybybill]

Excuse me but this type of nonsense is why many Americans are afraid of conservatives. Why would anybody be afraid of the FBI and CIA talking to each other? The "Homeland Security Dept" is not going to turn into the KGB. The next thing from these nuttbergers will be that the UN and the Rockerfellers helped the terrorists on 9/11

[Demidog]

fyi

[Demidog]

Why would anybody be afraid of the FBI and CIA talking to each other?

Nobody is afread if that as far as I can tell. Perhaps you read a different article than I did.

[bybybill]

You are right, the things I was commenting on were in other threads, however, my points are still right on

[philetus]

Why am I not surprised?

[billybudd]

Why would Americans be afraid of conservatives, if, as this article points out, the vast majority of Republicans are supporting the Homeland Security idea? Only Paul is against it. Anyway, you're not the slightest bit concerned about the consolidation of power over all domestic security into a single agency? What makes you think that a larger monolithic agency will do a better job than specialized agencies? Remember, what we're talking about is not just increasing communication between the FBI and CIA - that could easily be accomplished without a new agency. What we're talking about is the total absorption of previously independent agencies into the hand of the Presidency. We are slowly building an Executive-oriented State, and nobody seems to give a damn.

[Demidog]

however, my points are still right on

You only had one point and it addressed something not claimed in the article.

[Demidog]

Something that surprised me was that Bush mentioned "homeland security" all throughout his campaign, 2 years at least before the attacks.

He had either known of the Clinton Plan and was going to take it from Gore as an issue, or simply thinks along the very same lines as Clinton. Either option is quite frightening.

[Demidog]

We are slowly building an Executive-oriented State, and nobody seems to give a damn.

We live under a military dictatorship. Through wars without congressional approval and executive orders ("stroke of the pen, law of the land") the President can make law and direct the military at his whim (not to mention the thousands of armed federal agents he has control over).

The republic has been replaced by the revolving dictatorship.

[bybybill]

dah, thats what I said

[Demidog]

I don't take drugs generally...but as an aside, what TV show was Hannibal Heyes a character in? The Virginian? A Western right?

[JohnHuang2]

Here ya go....

[Jimmy Valentine]

This goes all the way back to the Church Committee after Watergate. It is true that the CIA was "coloring outside the lines" somewhat back then, but the Committee overracted.

That being said, while I am comfortable now, the thought of this sort of power in the hands of say, a Hillary Clinton, makes me sweat.

I guess it boils down to respect for the law; Hillary doesn't have any.

Regards,

[Huck]

There was a plan put together by a commitee, I forget its name, on which Tom Ridge served, that included a lot of these proposals. (Sandy, do you know the plan I am thinking of?) Just because the Clinton team knew of it doesn't make it a bad idea. The fact is that people have been saying we should do it for a long time, for good reason. The problem with bureacracy is not that they move too swiftly and stealthily. The problem is they don't move at all until thousands of citizens have been slaughtered. Paul sounds like a nimrod. On the one hand, people complain that the folks guarding the airports and the nuke plants aren't armed. Now you have Paul sounding like a gun control soccor mom counting how many guns there are.

[Maelstrom]

Tell me again why Libertarians were supposed to vote for Bush rather than Gore?

[steve50]

I don't think you will find a better voting record than Ron Paul's on the 2nd.