Primarily. However, many Jewish communities were wiped out on the way to the Holy Land.
I also have a great article about the inquisition that pretty much deflates the liberal propaganda taught against Isabella and Spain during that time. If you want to read it, I will be happy to send it.
I'm not sure what liberal propaganda you're talking about.
The slaughter of native Americans is not christians killing one another, and I am unsure why you bring that up. To outline that we really are the murderers instead of the sufferers?
Basically to point out that the history of Christianity is a bloody one. I had recently been having a discussion with someone who insisted that both sides of the Israeli-"Palestinian" conflict should hear the message of Jesus and it got under my skin.
And why are you trying to imply that we suffered and died by our own hands anyway? Do you have something against our suffering?
Well, I would rather not see anyone suffer.
Doest it bother you that we are persecuted? Why?
Yes, it does. Because I'm Jewish with Jewish values and don't want to see anyone persecuted.
What does it take away from Jewish suffering? Nothing.
Agreed on this.
Have a little sympathy for us. I do for your people.
I do. However, I do recognize that part of the problem is a philosophy which enables Christians to murder other peoples or themselves seemingly in the name of their faith. For example (and I'll never understand this one), in Ireland you have two groups of Christians murdering each other with regularity. Explain the Christian attitudes behind that one.
So the 7+ million Christians murdered in the Ukraine had it coming to them. Ok, I get it.
There are only two condemned instances in the history of the crusades where the Christian crusaders acted unjustly--The sack of Jerusalem and the Sack of Constantinople, both of which were unjustified and immoral. Those wars themselves remained just. I will not offer an excuse for the men who sacked Jerusalem and for the innocent Jews who died when it happened, but I will say that the crusaders freed the Holy Land from the moslems at that point. Their anger was pent up after the moslems poisened the wells around Jerusalem, forcing the men to lick blades of grass to get water. Immoral things happen sometimes in war--and again, I am not making a justification. That is the only time when innocent Jews were harmed by the crusaders.
I'm not sure what liberal propaganda you're talking about.
The Spanish Inquisition, by Anne W. Carroll.
Basically to point out that the history of Christianity is a bloody one. I had recently been having a discussion with someone who insisted that both sides of the Israeli-"Palestinian" conflict should hear the message of Jesus and it got under my skin.
Yes, it is bloody, but most of it was unprovoked. The Christian nations in Europe never once were the aggressors. Not once. It is certainly appropriate that we defend ourselves and our nations just as the Jews and Israel do. The person who you had that conversation with is a nitwit and not indicitive of true believers in Christ. Every religion has their share of less than inteligent people.
I do. However, I do recognize that part of the problem is a philosophy which enables Christians to murder other peoples or themselves seemingly in the name of their faith. For example (and I'll never understand this one), in Ireland you have two groups of Christians murdering each other with regularity. Explain the Christian attitudes behind that one.
Easy. Anyone can claim to be anything--that doesn't make it so. Those who use violence in Ireland know about God as much as those in other places who use violence.
Regardless, Communism has devestated the Christian community. Just look at what Pol Pot did. We did nothing to incur his wrath. Nothing at all except stand up for what we believe.
Islam which is at war with Christianity all over the world --the Sudan where Omar Bashir has slaughtered over a million black Christians, and northern Iraq, where fanatic moslems have been murdering Asyrian Christians. Then there is East Timor, where roving bands of moslems ripped the heads off Christians and paraded them around on the ends of sharps sticks, and we can't leave out the Balkans, Israel, and of course the United States.
We neither provoked nor deserved any of it.
Instead of the Emperor's request for the Pope funding of professional mercenaries for the effort the Pope created a version of Christian jihad that did not and does not exist in Christianity. In fact in the Orthodox Church killing even in battle is still a sin. The Crusades failed everyone Catholic, Orthodox and even Muslims since it allowed the Islamic world to embrace the warlike Turks who upon taking power decimated Islamic centers of learning through their barbarity.
The respected Saladin, a Kurd (from a Kurdistan that was once both Zoroastrian and Christian before Islam) was the last none Turk to rule the Middle East until the 20th century.
Under the Turks the richest most educated areas of the planet, the Middle East, Balkans and the Eastern Mediterranean became a backwards world still not recovered.
They're not Christians.
I agree with the posters who believe that there's bias when it comes to religious persecution. After 9 years of taking History in public schools, I've never heard anything about Christians being slaughtered for their faith. I'm not sure whether I feel differently about my people being killed than I feel about my Jewish friend's people being killed. One death by religious persecution is just as horrible as another.
My heart goes out to all who are victims of religious persecution. I wish against Fate that it would stop, but human nature often gets in the way of such wishful dreaming.
God Bless!
*Belle