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WHAT SHOULD CONSERVATIVES DO ABOUT THE GOP AND BUSH?
June-03-2002 | Texasforever

Posted on 06/03/2002 6:33:14 PM PDT by Texasforever

WHAT SHOULD CONSERVATIVES DO IN 2002 AND 2004

There has been a very loud and nasty argument gong on around here for months about how the GOP and George W. Bush have deserted Conservatives to pander to moderates and liberals and that they would stay home to show their discontent.. I say argument and not debate because there has been no debate just charge and counter-charge. I have issued the challenge to several disaffected former GOP and Bush supporters to start a thread that would focus on viable alternatives to both the GOP in 2002 and a replacement for Bush in 2004. None have taken up that challenge so I will start the thread myself.

This thread is not to continue the argument pro and con for either the GOP OR G.W. Bush.. Assume that conservatives have decided that Republicans are a lost cause and that the task is to put into place a viable alternative and candidate that will not result in conceding the elections to the democrats because that is neither smart OR rational. With that in mind I hope some of you that have given up and are very vocal in that stance will make your case for how conservatives should vote in the mid-term elections and who should be the conservative choice for POTUS, regardless of party, in 2004. If there is a candidate out there that you know about that could be groomed for national office in 2 years then please tell us why you think so and as much about the record on conservative issues as possible.

Once again, please refrain from just airing the same reasons for not supporting Bush, the GOP or both. That is already documented. The purpose for this thread are viable alternatives or solutions.


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To: Starwind
When a full 90% of those who call themselves Republicans give him high approval ratings, President Bush is NOT " the losing hearts and minds " of many. You can't judge by what you think you see on FR ! Oh, and Rush ? He's losing a LOT of his audience over his carping. But, silly little secret... shhhhhhh ... Rush WILL be on the bandwagon, come 2004 !
381 posted on 06/03/2002 11:00:23 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Diddle E. Squat
"Sure, you get a day's satisfaction by venting, but then you'll have to live through 4 years(and actually more like a lifetime) for the consequences of not choosing the choice that best stops liberalism."

I really don't understand how you can say that when Bush has pushed through liberal consequences that a liberal demoncrat would never have dared attempt. Even scum bag Clinton passed Welfare Reform, now Bush is dismantling it with his compassionate "take the responsibility for feeding and clothing immigrants off the back of their sponsors who agreed to provide it when they signed the immigrant up, and put it on the back of the tax payer".

And that is just one of the things that Bush has gotten away with that a demoncrat wouldn't dare to attempt. Bush is still trying to find a way to sneak 245i past frightened, protesting American citizens. I don't know if we can survive four more years of Bush's brand of conservatism.

382 posted on 06/03/2002 11:04:04 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: nopardons
I was judging by disgruntled, frustrated, disillusioned friends, folks in church, at work, and neighbors.

I have no clue what the polls actually measure.

I do recognize that Bush's nummbers are up, but how long are his coattails is another matter.

383 posted on 06/03/2002 11:05:05 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Reagan Man
Yeah he has learned a new word. God help us all.
384 posted on 06/03/2002 11:05:11 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: nopardons
'Let the democrats have it.' -- Is the only sane thing to do.

Elect Hillary & prince consort Billy, let them rule, and come the revolution we can start over again with a clean slate.

- Anarchyforever. - #369

There would be NO " revolution " ! This idea is just a " cut off your nose to spite your face", juvenile idea.

I'm dead serious, dearie.

-- The key words out of Prince Billys mouth, those that start the 2nd American Revolution, will be:

"Let them eat cake."

385 posted on 06/03/2002 11:06:43 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: MissAmericanPie
And that is just one of the things that Bush has gotten away with that a demoncrat wouldn't dare to attempt. Bush is still trying to find a way to sneak 245i past frightened, protesting American citizens. I don't know if we can survive four more years of Bush's brand of conservatism.

Dig that bunker deep and we will let you know when it is safe to come out.

386 posted on 06/03/2002 11:06:57 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Reagan Man
BOOKMARK IT TWICE!!
387 posted on 06/03/2002 11:08:38 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Tpaine, you voted now go bother someone that gives a damn.
388 posted on 06/03/2002 11:09:42 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Reagan Man,howlin,nopardons
So far that list of alternative candidates has not caught fire. I wonder why? The actual front runner is “let the dems have it”. Now isn’t that conveeeenient.
389 posted on 06/03/2002 11:13:07 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: MissAmericanPie
>>>I don't know if we can survive four more years of Bush's brand of conservatism.

America will do just fine with Bushes brand of conservatism. In fact, it will flourish. It's the real thing MAPie.

If you listen to all the anti-Bush pundits in the liberal media and the political misfits and malcontents hanging around FreeRepublic, some folks could conclude that Bushes Presidency has been a total failure. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In Bushes short time in office, he has produced a solid record overall. Bushes tax cuts, strong foreign policy, outstanding handling of the war effort and support for the RKBA`s, shows a solid conservative record. While some conservatives have disagreed with Bush on certain issue and decisions, all in all, Bush has given America, the most conservative leadership since President Reagan was in power.

390 posted on 06/03/2002 11:16:10 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Reagan Man
malcontents hanging around FreeRepublic

Hey! I resemble that remark!

391 posted on 06/03/2002 11:19:33 PM PDT by Starwind
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To: Texasforever
Our duty is to STOP the Democrats. Any alliance, any tactic, any means, stop the "millionaire socialists" from controlling any government. Conservtives are not stopping them. Pray!
392 posted on 06/03/2002 11:24:52 PM PDT by Blake#1
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To: Texasforever
You got it, Chief. Your wish is my command, -- last nights sick outburst taught ME a lesson I'll not soon forget. But let others judge:

. Don't you get it Tpaine. I consider you an object of utter contempt. You are an across the borderline nutcase that skulks from thread to thread seeing who you can insult this time. You are neither amusing, intellectual or even interesting. You are background noise. A groupie in a desperate search for a group. You are a sad little man that is angry, bitter and in need of a lot of professional attention. You have NOTHING to offer the human race other than an example of what NOT to become. I have tried every approach with you and none works. Yet you insist on yapping at my heels with your juvenile and pathetic rants about subjects you not only don't know a thing about but don't even suspect. I am engaging in a blatant personal attack and I may be banned but I wanted to make crystal clear my utter contempt. To hate someone is to fear them but to hold them in contempt is just a way of saying that YOU are not worth the effort.

481 posted on 6/2/02 1:24 AM Pacific by Texasforever

393 posted on 06/03/2002 11:30:02 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Thanks for re-posting that.
394 posted on 06/03/2002 11:31:23 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Texasforever
Thanks for thinking I did you a favor.
395 posted on 06/03/2002 11:33:28 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine;Texasforever
So you wrote that about ole tpaine last night.

Wish I had been there, first hand, you know.

Nice turn my Texas friend! So true and so sad.

396 posted on 06/03/2002 11:51:53 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: Starwind
You don't read FR enough. Even FOX CABLE NEWS reported Bush's poll numbers.

If you grumble to your friends and family, and they grummble back, that's an awfully limited bunch. Look at the FR threads, and count, on a variety of threads ( ! ) how many bashers / grummblers are there to those who say : well, I don't agree with him 100 %, but then, I never exected to."

Rush is playing a VERY dangerous game ! I stopped listening to him daily, a long time ago. I now listen , every now and again; however , 5-10 minutes of him, is about my limit. He gets many, many, MANY callers now, who blast away at him for his Bush bashing. He spends a lot of time complaining about those who are disgruntled with with. Those, who are now falling hook, line, and sinker for his trashing, are going to be in for a GIGANTIC shock, when he starts ( and he most assurredly shall ! ) pushing everyone to vote for Bush in 2004. Many won't go along with that ; not after the way he's been carrying on. Others, will swear off Rush forever, for being a " turncoat " / whatever they'll call him then.

President Bush has done more, in his first 18 months , than Reafan did in his. Reafan has now been beatified. He was bashed , when he was president. What you and others accuse Bush of doing, Reafan did too ... and worse.

Reagan gave BLANKET AMNESTY to ALL illegals. Bush doesn't want to do that.

I could write a rather long, detailed post about what Reagan did in office. Others have already written some of it, and you ignored / poo pooed it ; so I shan't.

Oh, and FYI ... yes, Reagan won the " COLD WAR " ; it just did NOT happen / finalize while he was in office. : - )

397 posted on 06/04/2002 12:02:59 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: tpaine
No, dear, there will be NO armed Conservative revolution . If there were to have been one, it would have happened when Slick wasn't kicked out , or , at the very least, during the 2000 election debackle. Besides which, this isn't the 18th century and the government has arms that civilians don't .

It can't be " Prince Billy " ; but QUEEN HITLERY ( I take it, in your delusional scenario ) and she won't talk about " cake " .

398 posted on 06/04/2002 12:09:22 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: jwalsh07
"I vote for the most conservative candidate who most closely reflects my values with the best chance of being elected."

Ditto, jwalsh. Nicely put.

399 posted on 06/04/2002 12:16:30 AM PDT by brat
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To: Texasforever
It ony more than proves one thing, there are people here, who call themselves " Conservatives " , who delusionally imagine that they " understand " poltics, but when faced with reality, are more confused than those whm they consider to be " sheeple ". Heck, they don't even have one shred of a survival instinct and NO memory / capability to imagine the consequences .

When people gripe, but haven't a clue about a viable alternative, then tey are only : DOGS IN THE MANGER / CUT OFF ONE'S NOSE TO SPITE ONE'S FACE MASOCHISTS.

400 posted on 06/04/2002 12:16:45 AM PDT by nopardons
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