Posted on 06/03/2002 6:33:14 PM PDT by Texasforever
There has been a very loud and nasty argument gong on around here for months about how the GOP and George W. Bush have deserted Conservatives to pander to moderates and liberals and that they would stay home to show their discontent.. I say argument and not debate because there has been no debate just charge and counter-charge. I have issued the challenge to several disaffected former GOP and Bush supporters to start a thread that would focus on viable alternatives to both the GOP in 2002 and a replacement for Bush in 2004. None have taken up that challenge so I will start the thread myself.
This thread is not to continue the argument pro and con for either the GOP OR G.W. Bush.. Assume that conservatives have decided that Republicans are a lost cause and that the task is to put into place a viable alternative and candidate that will not result in conceding the elections to the democrats because that is neither smart OR rational. With that in mind I hope some of you that have given up and are very vocal in that stance will make your case for how conservatives should vote in the mid-term elections and who should be the conservative choice for POTUS, regardless of party, in 2004. If there is a candidate out there that you know about that could be groomed for national office in 2 years then please tell us why you think so and as much about the record on conservative issues as possible.
Once again, please refrain from just airing the same reasons for not supporting Bush, the GOP or both. That is already documented. The purpose for this thread are viable alternatives or solutions.
And Reagan didn't sign unconstitutional legislation, nor reverse himself on campaigned ideology.
But Capitulated to the UN by not allowing the Marine Sentries to carry loaded guns in Lebanon. did really make me mad.
Reagan also won the cold war and lead the US to be the only superpower...among other acheivements.
Ron Paul
Pat Buchanan
Alan Keyes
Howard Phillips
Newt Gingrich
Dan Quayle
Bob Barr
Brent Shundler
Tancredo
Jon Kyl
Bob Smith
PJ O’Rourqe(sic)
3rd Party to be named
Harry Browne or LP candidate
Let the democrats have it.
Ron Paul is not well known, has no support from his fellow Representatives, and doesn't play well to the " average " person. Hewould get a " doesn't play well with others", on a grammar school reportcard. This does NOT bode well for governance; not at all ! He is totally unelectable as a presidencial candidate. FORGET HIM !
Pat B. has run so many times, is so disliked / ill thought of by the vast majority, mishandled ( SO VERY BADLY ! ) his turn in the now defunct Reform Party, that even Pat says that he'll NEVER run again. FORGET HIM ENTIRELY !
Phillips is a nonentity . Harold Stassen had more charisma, political smarts, and name recognition. FORGET HIM UTTERLY AND FOREVER !
Newt Gingrich is the flip of Clinton ... without the base of sychophats. That makes it an impossibility for him to ever run for president. He is also THE GOP " lightening rod/ scapegoat / devil; " for the Dems. Unlike Nixon, Newtie can't ever be rehabilitated for public consusmption. Beides, he caved more and far worse, than President Bush ever will or can ! Newt is also a Third Wayer . You folks really want that ? FORGET HIM ; NOT EVEN VIABLE FOR MOST CONSERVATIVES!
Dan Quayle , while far more eintelligent and worthy than the press EVER will admit to and a good guy, he is damaged goods. Sorry, the news media's collective Gorbelization can't be undune. FORGET DAN ... A GREAT PITY !
Bob Barr has too much baggage ; don't think that he'd run anyway. FORGET THIS ONE .
Schundler ? Bret Schundler ? Nope , no real name recognition outside of the tri-state area , no real accomplishments, and no real political experience. FUGHETABOUDIT !
Tancredo has become somewhat known here; however , just on one subject and one subject only. What's his entire record ? No name recognition and almost NO hope at all of ever getting one. As a matter of fact, as with Pat B., that one subject WOULD , 9/11 or no 9/11, get him thumbs down from immigrants ( legal and the Dem's favorite voters... illegals ) of ALL stripes. Conservatives and closed / fortress America aren't exactly the vast majority of voters in this country. NO WAY ; NOT BASED ON IMMIGRATION RULES !
Third Party have 100 % NO chance of winning a presidential election for the vast foreseeable future ... as in 100 + years ! TOTAL, COMPLETE, UTTER WHEEL SPINNER !
Harry Browne ? BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Dems ? YOU PEOPLE HAVE A DEATH WISH, ARE POLITICALLY NAIVE, JUVENILE,DON'T REALLY GIVE A DAMN ABOUT ANYONE BUT YOUR OWN PERVERTED SELVES , AND ARE MASCHISTS WHO ARE ONLY HAPPY WHEN YOU ARE MISERABLE !
It is becoming easier and easier to see just WHY there are those who write such peculiar things on FR. YOU DON'T KNOW HISTORY AND LESS ABOUT POLITICS ! Teddy R. didn't win the electio, when he ran on the Bull Moose ticket. HE LOST AND LOST BADLY ! That little egocentric fling gave this country Woodrow bloody Wilson and his wife being president for the end of his presidency. She was even worse and had MORE power that Hillary .
Bill Buckley didn't run for mayor of N.Y.C.; his brother ran as a REPUBLICAN and NOT for Mayor ! Lindsey ran as a Republicam , WAS elected as Mayor of N.Y.C ( after the election Buckley ran in, BTW ) and became a whacked out Dem.
For ALL of the unending griping / Bush bashing, aroud here, there should be a required test about reacent USA history, to be taken and passed as a prerequisite for posting. No, President Bush isn't " perfect "; he isn't Conservative enough / at all for some. Go read a factual , month by month history of the Reagan presidency. You'd have HATED him far mre than you do Bush !
In the last 100 years, WHICH Republican president has been Conservative enough for those of you who are screaming for a " pure " Conservative president now ? Be careful before you start tryping any names ; you best do thorough researach on it , as I doubt that yu can find even one.
Beat the sitting Vice-President when the economy was still perceived good, and thus won against long odds and historical precedence. Successfully defended a fraudulent challenge to his election. Pushed through tax cuts and has completely changed the parameters of discussion on solving social security. Is maintaining high approval numbers long after the initial tragedy, and in the face of withering assaults by ruthless lying RATS, the media, and 10 of the spies sent by Moses to investigate Canaan(who apparently vociferously post on Free Republic).
For example::
"And, a patriotic O’Rourke reminds us that things are way different in other ways from the past. American might now projects easily across the world with little challenge. “It doesn’t matter how much they hate us, they’ve got to do something with that oil. They have to get that oil out of the ground, or they will be naked and starving, and when they want to launch a terrorist attack, they’ll have to sneak into Jerusalem shopping malls and kick sand at Israelis. They have to sell us their oil. (P.S. Or else.)”
Contrary to the cult of Reagan (I'm a lapsed member), he did, in fact, sign a number of unconstitutional bills into law. He also attacked foreign countries without a Declaration of War - another constitutional no-no.
Don't get me wrong - as presidents go, anyone else in the White House could never fill Reagan's shoes. But, the truth of the matter is...
I did NOT deny that but when holding Bush up to the standards of Reagan do it with the man NOT the myth.
People would pay to see the debates just to see the look of terror on his opponents faces.
I think he would be a viable alternative.
So what, you Texas tin horn.
Wanna make something of it? =^)
The point is often made here that Bush or the RNC must accommodate centrist, liberal views to retain power.
My point, perhaps for the 6th time LOL :-), is why can't Bush et. al. repeat Reagan's style, ie no holds barred conservatism?
As long as people ( supposed Conservatives on here as well ) not only accept the garbage , but spend money on it / engage in the behavior , then , short of something like a repeat of the Black Death / generation z doing a ccmplete turn around, we have little hope of changing things.
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