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To: CatoRenasci
Those attitudes and behavior are simply not acceptable to whites. That's just a fact, and no posturing or 'understanding' is going to change whites reaction.

That's true, but sometimes Whites are a little too "uptight" about such behavior, which should only be put in check if it goes too far. Some people over-react when they don't have to.

If blacks want to persist in those attitudes and behaviors in institutions governed by white standards, they cannot complain of punishment.

I agree, but maybe the standards should be modified or else don't complain when Blacks set up their own institutions with their own standards.

31 posted on 05/30/2002 9:22:43 AM PDT by mafree
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To: mafree
I don't mean to be diffident, but I for one would not be prepared to alter standards for attitudes and behavior. Perhaps I, and others like me, are 'uptight' in your view, but we are entitled to our views and standards. As another poster put it, these aren't 'white' standards, they are the standards of civility and the behavior conducive to learning and polite interaction among men and women of good will.

I would not object if someone who had a different view of standards chose to set up alternative instititions, but neither would I be willing to accept them as equal.

I have always believed that the way to avoid racism in myself was to apply to all people the standards I believe in, not to make excuses for members of any group or assume they cannot fully participate in any way in the life of the mind and the great conversation of western civilization. In reading your posts, I have always had the sense that you take a similar view.

40 posted on 05/30/2002 10:08:46 AM PDT by CatoRenasci
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To: mafree
Whites are a little too "uptight" about such behavior

Huh? Ever try to control a classroom of second graders? it's difficult with well-behaved kids. It's impossible with kids who won't follow the rules.

I have been a Junior Achievement volunteer for over ten years, for grades ranging from first grade to high school seniors, in schools ranging from inner-city to affluent suburbs. Am I "uptight" about student behavior? Only when it makes impossible for me to teach my material. What you discount as merely a cultural difference is probably a big part of the reason why schools serving largely black populations generally do such an abysmal job. If those teachers were less "culturally sensitive" and a little more "uptight", the kids might actually learn something.

69 posted on 05/30/2002 2:36:11 PM PDT by LouD
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