Posted on 05/27/2002 5:34:11 AM PDT by TomGuy
India Reports Heavy Fire With Pakistani Forces on Kashmir Cease-Fire Line, Border
By Binoo Joshi Associated Press Writer
Published: May 27, 2002
JAMMU, India (AP) - Indian and Pakistani troops exchanged heavy mortar, artillery and machine-gun fire Monday on the Kashmir frontier, and fired across their international border, Indian army officers said.
Reports from Indian army officers in Jammu and Srinagar, the winter and summer capitals of India's Jammu-Kashmir state, indicated heavy shelling from Naushahra in the southwest to Dras in the north, extending 175 miles along the cease-fire line that divides the Himayalan region of Kashmir.
The Indian and Pakistani army statements agreed that the firing had extended along the international border that separates the two nuclear-armed nations in Kashmir and southward into Punjab province on Sunday.
The Indian officers said that machine-gun firing continued across the border on Monday in Kashmir, but at a lower level than along the cease-fire line.
Pakistan's army made no statement on Monday's fighting, but reported intense fighting Sunday, including with rocket launchers. The Pakistan army said India targeted several villages Sunday, killing nine civilians, including two women, and injuring 42 others.
Pakistan said it retaliated, targeting Indian gun positions.
The Indian officers said they lost no casualties on Sunday but that an inspector of the Border Security Force died in Monday's exchanges, and five civilians were wounded in Naushahra.
Both statements said civilians were injured and their homes and other buildings were damaged. Dozens of civilians have been killed on both sides during the past two weeks.
The officers said firing of mortar and artillery shells, along with medium and heavy machine guns, lasted several hours on Monday in the mountainous Naushahra and Punch sectors, northwest of Jammu.
The Jammu-Kashmir state government said about 50,000 villagers have fled their homes near the border and are staying in schools or with relatives and friends. Thousands of villagers have also fled on the Pakistani side.
Kashmir, a Himalayan region divided between Pakistan and India, has been the flashpoint of two wars between them, in 1948 and in 1965.
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An Indian villager looks through a hole in a village wall caused by Pakistan firing in Akhnoor sector, near Jammu, India Sunday May 26, 2002. At least five people were killed and four others wounded in troubled Kashmir when Indian and Pakistani forces renewed shelling at each other's positions across the border, police said Sunday.
Don't know about anyone else .. but my thinking it won't be good ... at all
Fox News is airing Musharraf (sp?) right now .. what is up with this
No.
Please substantiate your assumption.
All he quoted, IIRC, was this: "Now I am become Death, Destroyer of Worlds."
Tuor
Tuor
Unless someone is stupid enough to lob a nuke at China, it won't bring in the Chinese. It *may* serve to unite the Islamic nations, but that is not certain.
What you have described is a worse case scenario: possible, but pretty unlikely IMO.
But even if the conflict stayed between India and Pakistan, you could still be talking about several million -- tens of millions -- of deaths, perhaps more depending on location of strikes and the fallout.
Tuor
No. How about yourself?
Does everyone who posts here understand that if these nations go nuclear that it will bring in the Chinese
Okay, I'll bite -- why would it bring in the Chinese?
that will bring in us that will bring in Iraq and Iran that will bring in Israel that will bring in Russia that will result in an ever escalating nuclear responses?
I also invite you to explain your reasoning behind each step of the rest of your scenario.
India has delivered intelligence to Israel that it has gathered in Pakistan regarding jihadi tactics.
The cooperation is active and ongoing.
These two countries are the bookends to the nutty arabislamic regimes in the region and face threats to their very existence from state sponsored and alqaeda like terrorism.
What do you think of this usenet post?
Is China really behind the Paki nukes?
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Paki developed it's nukes *mostly* on it's own??!! Absolutely NOT!! It
is quite funny to even think that.
Although Pakistan initially started out its nuke program through
clanderstine acquisitions of scientific info and tools from nations
like USA and France, it was China which provided the entire blue
prints for the nuke. China actually HAS scientists working in
Pakistan, guiding them on almost every aspect of the bomb design and
manufacture.
US intelligence also states that nukes assembled in Pak with complete
Chinese overview and help, were also TESTED in China under the guise
of testing Chinese nukes. Which is ALSO why India had no other
alternative but to go nuclear in 1998. i.e. Pakistan offered a no-nuke
treaty to India, as China shipped its own nukes in a steady stream to
Pak. The ICBM story is also very much the same.
What Pak calls as its "own" ICBMs, are non other than Chinese ICBMs,
tried and tested. India on the other hand had to actually desing and
develop its very own... it is interesting to note in this context that
India's initial short range ballastic missiles are considered one of
the most accurate in CEP (Circular probabality error). China shipped
missles and parts to Pak either directly or via North Korea.
When Pak tests a missle or nuke, it is nothing new. Something already
tested in China a few times before... they do it just for "national
pride".
Given all this, the real enemy of India has always been China. This is
how the global game is played.
The Pakistani military has benefited from the following sources in its efforts to acquire a missile capability:
* Largely Indigenous with some Chinese inputs: Mainly the HATF-1 (100 kms and 500 Kgs) and HATF-2 (300 Kms and 500 Kgs). These two were developed by the Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (SUPARCO) and plans for their serial production, at least of HATF-2, were reported to have been abandoned due to their unsatisfactory performance.
* Totally Chinese:HATF-3, which is believed to be the Chinese M-11 (300 kms and 500 kgs);and SHAHEEN I, which is believed to be the Chinese M-9 (700 kms and 500 Kgs). SHAHEEN -I is also sometimes called HATF-4.
* Totally North Korean: Ghauri-I, which is believed to be the North Korean Nodong (1300 kms and 500 to 750 kgs); and Ghauri--II ( claimed to be 2000 kms and 700 kgs), also North Korean Nodong. Ghauri-I is also sometimes called HATF-5.
* Of Uncertain origin: Shaheen--II (claimed 2000 plus kms and 1000 kgs). It was displayed in a military parade in March 2000 and described by Pakistani commentators as a road-mobile, two-stage missile. According to some reports, it is nothing but the Chinese DF-15; according to some other reports, it is actually the North Korean Taepodong. In the past, some Pakistani analysts had also referred to it as Ghaznavi.
* Stolen: Scuds of Soviet origin stolen from Kabul when the Najibullah Government fell in April 1992 and the Afghan Mujahideen captured power. Number and type not known.
The Pakistani military uses its claims regarding its missile holdings and firings as a psychological warfare (Psywar) weapon to reassure its own personnel and public about its nuclear delivery capability; to create concerns in the minds of the Indian public; and to create alarm in the international community about the so-called dangers of a nuclear confrontation if they do not pressurise India to settle the so-called Kashmir dispute to its satisfaction.
From my readings (reasonably extensive for an avocational student of things military), "fire discipline" and "Islamic troops" are mutually exclusive concepts.
Making it easier to live in the US or Europe. And read the technical and scientific source material.
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