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Defeating "Gay" Arguments with Simple Logic
Pro-Family Law Center ^ | 2002 | Scott D. Lively, Esq.

Posted on 05/26/2002 8:13:34 PM PDT by CalConservative

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To: general_re
If there were such a test, that could definitively show someone's ethnicity, should taking that test be a precondition for, say, black folks to receive affirmative action benefits?

I haven't followed the entire argument, but the answer to this question is Yes.

Which of course illustrates why affirmative action should be abolished.

61 posted on 05/27/2002 1:03:49 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: CalConservative
"The constitutional right of states to regulate homosexual conduct remains the law of the land. "

...but only until the Feds decide otherwise, and there-in lies the rub. All of our present day governmental problems always seem to revert to the same "original sin"... the Constitution, in spite of it's directly spoken restriction of Federal powers, is not enforced...not by the Supreme Court, and not by the citizens, who are ultimately responsible amd who will ultimately pay the price.

62 posted on 05/27/2002 1:09:39 PM PDT by gorush
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To: CalConservative
What homosexuals say about homosexuals:

Is This Gay Behavior Sick?

"Let´s look at gay behavior as defined by two gays, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen Ph.D., authors of After the Ball: How America will Conquer its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90´s (1989).

In Chapter Six, they outline “ten categories of misbehavior,” drawn from their own experiences, wide reading and thousands of hours of conversation with hundreds of other gays...

What follows are some highlights. As you read this, ask yourself if there is another human community, including the Mafia that could make these generalizations about itself. Ask yourself if we haven´t caught this disease, or at least the sniffles.

• The authors say “a surprisingly high percentage” of pathological liars and con men are gay. This results from a natural habit of self-concealment, and leads to a stubborn self-deception about one´s own gayness and its implications.

• They say gays suffer from a “narcissistic” personality disorder and they give this clinical description: “pathological self absorption, a need for constant attention and admiration, lack of empathy or concern for others, quickly bored, shallow, interested in fads, seductive, overemphasis on appearance, superficially charming, promiscuous, exploitative, preoccupied with remaining youthful, relationships alternate between over idealization and devaluation.”

• As an example of this narcissism, the authors say “a very sizable proportion of gay men” who have been diagnosed HIV positive continue to have unprotected sex.

• They say the majority of gays are extremely promiscuous and self-indulgent. They must continuously up the ante to achieve arousal. This begins with alcohol and drugs and includes such “forbidden” aspects of sex as wallowing in filth (fetishism and coprophilia) and sadomasochism, which involves violence.

• They say many gays indulge in sex in public bathrooms and think it is antigay harassment when it is stopped. Many think they have a right to importune straight males, including children.

• Many gays are “single minded sexual predators” fixated on youth and physical beauty alone. When it comes to the old or ugly, gays are “the real queerbashers.” Disillusioned themselves, they are cynical about love.

• “Relationships between gay men don´t usually last very long.” They quickly tire of their partners and fall victim to temptation. The “cheating ratio of ‘married´ gay males, given enough time, approaches 100%.”..."


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63 posted on 05/27/2002 1:10:52 PM PDT by EdReform
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To: sixtycyclehum
It's obvious you're going to believe what you want to believe and rationalize any science on the subject to fit your bias. I have read the study, as have many others who come to the same conslusion. There is some biological element, even if it is as yet unknown.

Your attacks only reflect badly on you. Reasonable people can disagree. Unreasionable people resort to petty provocations and name calling.

64 posted on 05/27/2002 1:29:01 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: SkyPilot
I was wondering, does that include God?

That certainly includes you. My relationship with God is between me and God.

66 posted on 05/27/2002 1:37:42 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: zeebee
It is very easy to prove it is not innate or inherited. If the gene was inherited, it would have been flushed out of the population millions of years ago since the behavior it causes is incompatible with reproduction

Your very flawed theory is not the same as proof. There are a number of people who are biologically unable to reproduce. That small percentage doesn't prevent reproduction in general.

67 posted on 05/27/2002 1:43:49 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla; Torie
I'm a big fan of sodomy, I practice it as often as possible.

I would hazard a guess that most people on this thread have been enthusiastic participants in many an act of sodomy during the course of their lives.

There are no sexual acts that homosexuals can participate in, that I can't enjoy with my wife, every single time we enjoy sex with one another. Not that we do, but it is possible.

I would be willing to bet quite a bit of cash, that few of us in here would willingly renounce the joys of sodomy in our heterosexual relationship. Not only that, but I would bet the house that if the Federal government passed laws which regulated the sexual conduct of married, heterosexual partners, the uprising that would ensue would dwarf the American Revolution.

Realizing that, I find myself in the weird position of defending the rights of adults of any sexual "orientation" to do whatever they wish to do, consensually that is, and restricted to members of the same species (unless someone can unequivocally identify what sheepish for "I don't mind at all" sounds like), behind closed doors. I do so in order to protect my own rights.

You cannot make the participation in an activity (whatever that activity may be) illegal for "certain people" and not for all people. To do so would violate discrimination laws.

But hey! What the hell do I know?

68 posted on 05/27/2002 1:47:21 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez
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To: sixtycyclehum
Lets for one second assume that it is genetic (which it clearly is not), then your acceptance based upon genetics would have to encompass such people as double "Y" chromosome males - also called the "super males". They are extremely violent and virtually all end up in prison for violent offenses. Should we then let them out of prison because they "can't help it".

When some gay guy goes on a killing spree, then lock him up for that behavior. Otherwise this is a spurious, deliberately dishonest analogy.

69 posted on 05/27/2002 1:47:52 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: sixtycyclehum
Your recruitment condemns you. Your tactics are nothing short of the Hitler Jugend. You thinly veil your subconscious agenda under a robe of perversion that is quite evident.

Someone call the looney patrol. You've clearly been memorizing every word of the Propagandist's Handbook.

71 posted on 05/27/2002 1:56:26 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: Luis Gonzalez
You cannot make the participation in an activity (whatever that activity may be) illegal for "certain people" and not for all people. To do so would violate discrimination laws.

Thank you, Luis, for a refreshingly well-reasoned statement. This is the argument I've been making every time one of these threads comes up. Some people are very eager to revoke the rights of others that they would jealously guard for themselves simply because they detest how others choose to manifest those rights.

72 posted on 05/27/2002 2:00:00 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: sixtycyclehum
You have yet to address the issue that I brought up regarding the supposed "violence" toward gays that doesn't exist -- followed by the subsequent pushing for recognition in the schools.

Maybe I missed it in the thread, but to be honest, I simply don't care about the subject enough to get into an exhaustive, point-by-point, issue-by-issue debate on all the complexities of gays vs. conservatives politics. It's been addressed plenty on other threads.

75 posted on 05/27/2002 2:03:05 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: sixtycyclehum
It's interesting to note that people like you won't let children form their own opinions, or to allow their parents to guide them through life.

Can you be any more ludicrous? You're presuming to know anything of substance about me from a dozen or so posts on a website? You're presumption is dead wrong and you're foolish to make such a leap.

76 posted on 05/27/2002 2:07:06 PM PDT by tdadams
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To: Dr. Frank
I haven't followed the entire argument, but the answer to this question is Yes.

Which of course illustrates why affirmative action should be abolished.

Among other things. That's my whole point - this guy is so desperate to make a case to exclude gays from civil rights programs and initiatives and the like, that he misses the big picture and essentially cedes the fight on those issues to begin with. What's the response of ethnic minorities to this? "That's right - we're not like those gay folks. We're entitled to special breaks, and they aren't. So where's my special break?"

Shortsighted and foolish. This guy's so blinded by his own particular agenda that he can't see what the ultimate effect of his "victory" would be - to win the battle, but lose the war.

78 posted on 05/27/2002 2:23:06 PM PDT by general_re
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To: Torie
Oh I thought you were suggesting that gays were a net drain on government cash flow. Silly me.

How do they vote? You tell me what they cost Americas in increased taxes.

79 posted on 05/27/2002 2:23:08 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: Hajman
Certainally you're not trying to claim the weak "everyone does it" argument.

Get a clue and read what I wrote in context. What I was saying is that there is some fairly solid evidence that homosexual behaviors are linked to environmental factors during fetal development interfering with gene expression. If this was the case, one would not expect it to be specific to the human animal. The fact that we can manipulate the statistical occurence of homosexual behaviors in other mammal populations by manipulating environmental factors lends credence that this is in fact the case.

Rational inquiry into causal factors is valuable if you want to say anything meaningful about how homosexual behaviors emerge. It is utterly useless to approach the foundations of homosexuality with the excuses provided on both sides of the argument. "Homosexuality is a choice" is just as stupid an assertion as "Homosexuals have no choice" absent intelligent inquiry (which is sorely lacking on this topic on FR in my opinion -- most of what I see are mindless platitudes).

80 posted on 05/27/2002 2:25:20 PM PDT by tortoise
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