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The Roots of the Scandal
Catholic World Report ^ | June 2002 | Michael S. Rose

Posted on 05/24/2002 5:45:18 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
You have to ask the question - who is involved in selecting anti-Catholic kooks to make decisions for the Church? Hmmmmm... An interesting question indeed.

Who funded the stealth conferences on contraception at Notre Dame in the sixties, made Hesburgh a board member and gave select Catholics their talking points for refusing to "impose their values" on a State bent on birth control and abortion as part of Population Control?

Who funded the pilot program of "encounter groups" and "sensitivity training" used first on Catholic religious and then turned on the population at large?

Who funded the criminal Kinsey and legitimized his research -- including the Table 34 data -- making him the bedrock of sexual sociological and psychological theory in the US?

The Interlock (primarily Rockefellers) of WASP Anglophile Elite ... the same Breeders and Betting Men who field the horses (both fleet and dark) from which we choose each election year.

I have to admit ... E. Michael Jones's "Libido Dominandi Sexual Liberation and Political Control" has been a real eye-opener for me.

The most interesting part, of course, being how the Useful Idiots evidently think that their steadying the course with Legal Abortion and widespread birth control (not to mention the Ubiquitious "Family Values" and the American Public's willingness to support a President who speaks in terms of "already been killed" and "Excess" human lives) will allow them to succeed where the first two sexual revolutions failed.

21 posted on 05/24/2002 9:13:10 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
These would be the same ding-dongs who dog-eared their copies of Blanshard's books on the Vatican's similarity to the Kremlin etc. etc.

I happened to be reading one of those, actually, when I came across the Blanshard reference in the Jones book with regard to some Supreme Court justice or another.

Probably Justice Pet Rocks & Potential Personhood Douglas or some other of the Points of Light we've had guiding us from the bench as the State bulldozed God out of the schools, "liberated" us to utter enslavement to the passions by which they control us.

22 posted on 05/24/2002 9:18:24 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: one_particular_harbour,father_elijah
How does such a prosecution get started, who runs it, where does it happen, and how is the factfinder composed?

Yes! How does one get the ball rolling in this regard? It's up to us to clean house here...and it is desperately needed.

23 posted on 05/24/2002 9:20:03 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: SuziQ
Thankfully there are many orthodox priests who are now coming of an age where THEY are in charge of Diocesan Relig. Ed. and are getting rid of the feminazi nuns and AmChurch type libs who have been running these programs for years. They are hiring folks from places like The Franciscan Univ. of Steubenville who are being taught the truth of Catholic teachings and are on fire to bring it to parishes around the country.


Interesting. I was just reading a mention about Steubenville this evening.

24 posted on 05/24/2002 9:20:36 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: sinkspur
and it has been positive for every couple in some way.

I trust it's not just the way you nudge-nudge wink-wink at the Church's teaching on artificial birth control.

25 posted on 05/24/2002 9:22:08 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
I trust it's not just the way you nudge-nudge wink-wink at the Church's teaching on artificial birth control.

We never talk about it. That's "priest territory." We don't bring it up, and there are no questions on the survey dealing with it.

Lots of these young people are living together. If it were up to me, I'd require that they live apart for six months before their wedding.

But it's not up to me.

26 posted on 05/24/2002 9:25:52 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I do remember your saying that and I think that's admirable.

Why is that the priest's territory? What with all the "Couple to Couple League" and stuff like that, I figured priests had given in to the you no play-a da game - you no make-a da rules bit and turned it over to marrieds.

That surprises me, actually.

27 posted on 05/24/2002 9:32:50 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Our diocese requires that engaged couples attend an Engaged Encounter weekend, at which an entire afternoon is given to discussion NFP and birth control.

Our sessions are primarily devoted to DIFFERENCES that couples have in their views of finances, children, jobs, attitudes towards each other.

28 posted on 05/24/2002 9:44:03 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Swell ... an "Encounter" weekend. Just what I need to hear. =)

Any chance you can get your hands on some of the "Encounter" materials and feed me some names and/or publishers? Just curious.

29 posted on 05/24/2002 9:51:35 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Askel5
Swell ... an "Encounter" weekend. Just what I need to hear. =)

It actually gets good reviews from the couples. It's well run, with two couples and a priest on the panel.

I'll see if I can get some materials; most are "home grown," as our diocese has been doing this for nearly twenty years.

30 posted on 05/24/2002 10:09:49 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
I really would be interested. Thanks.
31 posted on 05/24/2002 10:14:34 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: sinkspur
Lots of these young people are living together. If it were up to me, I'd require that they live apart for six months before their wedding.

That's very wise.

32 posted on 05/24/2002 10:25:05 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler
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To: sinkspur
Seems to depend a lot on the diocese and the mentality and education of the people involved.
33 posted on 05/24/2002 10:38:25 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Askel5 ; Siobhan
One notices that some very highly weird anti-Catholic types pop up in unusual places within the Church. Everyone involved officially in a diocese, seminary, or Catholic university should be able to sign an oath of fidelity to the teachings of the Church. Anyone who is there specifically to advance the ideology or agenda of some other organization which has a specific anti-Catholic purpose ought to be exposed and removed immediately.
34 posted on 05/24/2002 10:53:09 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Polycarp
God Bless you for holding our Catholic standard high out in a diocese that really needs to be gutted. A big anti Antonio Gramsci bump! For the sake of our children and their children, for the faith of our fathers!
35 posted on 05/25/2002 5:50:44 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: Siobhan
"...When I see things like this and your observation, I think the answer must be in such anti-apostles inserted into the Catholic Church by the Soviets...."

Siobhan, Siobhan, Siobahn.

This has the fingerprints of American apple pie all over it......

36 posted on 05/25/2002 5:55:51 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: sinkspur
"I trust it's not just the way you nudge-nudge wink-wink at the Church's teaching on artificial birth control.

We never talk about it."

AAAAggghhhh!!! Knowing how the pill causes early abortion you should be obliged by your conscience to talk about it irregardless of "territory"...if you are doing pre-cana and NOT talking about it you are remiss in your duty. Think in terms of the lives of unborn on your head.
37 posted on 05/25/2002 6:02:20 AM PDT by Domestic Church
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To: SuziQ
This in a nutshell explains why the last two generations of Catholics have NO CLUE about the actual teachings of the Church.

I believe that the overriding reason for the failure to teach authentic Catholic beliefs and to enforce the teaching thereof is: cowardice. God and God thru Christ will us to lead lives of purity and sinlessness. When it comes to those areas where our strong (and sometimes difficult to control) desires conflict with the demand for holiness on our part, our priests, from the Pope on down, and who would live 'in persona Christi,' fear to face those great multitudes who wish to give precedence to their desires. When it comes to fornicaton, homosexual acts, abortion for convenience' sake, giving up or scaling back confession, and other hard doctrines, our Church has in many cases abdicated. For many priests, the cowardice manifests itself in the desire to be popular. And the same manifests itself at the top as well - when high prelates consider the numbers of supposed Catholics who might pull out if they were actually confronted with their sins, as well as the nature of sin itself (so conveniently swept under the rug these days). Our Church has shown itself to be chock full of raging cowards. And they have brought pain, shame, and horrific suffering to many. It's hardly surprising, given that any pulling away from God and holiness (though we are all tempted to do so)will eventually have seriously bad results. When you read the Gospels, Christ never wavered a centimeter from professing the true word of God. He did not care how those around him criticized. He was not afraid to speak God's truth and to let the (dire) consequences fall where they might. For those who seek to live 'in persona Christi,' it seems courage would be the order of the day, not rank cowardice. The priests of our Church have too often forgotten who it is they represent.

38 posted on 05/25/2002 6:03:59 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Everyone involved officially in a diocese, seminary, or Catholic university should be able to sign an oath of fidelity to the teachings of the Church. Anyone who is there specifically to advance the ideology or agenda of some other organization which has a specific anti-Catholic purpose ought to be exposed and removed immediately.

So simple. Why can't they do it?

39 posted on 05/25/2002 6:06:45 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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To: sinkspur
Lots of these young people are living together. If it were up to me, I'd require that they live apart for six months before their wedding.

Why is the Church not requiring that they live apart completely, until getting married? Too inconvenient to actually teach what Christianity (i.e., God) requires here? There is a slippery slope here that ends with our seminaries being turned into homosexual bordellos, and our teenage sons being endangered by our priests.

40 posted on 05/25/2002 6:11:01 AM PDT by yendu bwam
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