Posted on 05/24/2002 6:43:47 AM PDT by Dallas
He did. It is called free will. Without a choice we have no free will.
I understand you were answering the "spidey" question. But the answers were clearly referring to Christian Biblical Scripture. My point was that I did not see evidence that anyone (reputably) Christian DOES advocate murdering anyone else.......period.
and we somehow got into lakes of fire. What God does WITH me and what he tells someone to DO TO me are different things. Before Christ there was no path to heaven. What was written before he came and walked among us is still relevant and true, but man's behavior and calling is vastly changed forever.
Christ's arrival changed many things.
Maybe not, though. To contradict the Bible is to earn eternity in a lake of fire. They are literally scared sh*tless to think for themselves -- the penalty is the worst imaginable. Blinded by fear takes on a whole new meaning under these circumstances.
Of course not. If they found a bone it would, ipso facto, not be Precambrian. That's the definition of Precambrian...no multicellular organisms. There's the tautology. And yes there are out-of-place fossils. These are either ignored or explained away by evolutionists because as you say, if evolution is true, and every "sane" person "knows" it is, real contradictions to the Geologic table can't exist.
If evolution is true, there never will be. If 'Flood Geology' were true, one would expect a mix throughout the column, but this is not what is actually found.
That's what is found in many cases.
To me at any rate, the evidence for an ancient earth and for faunal succession is so compelling that I question both the sanity and integrity of the young-earthers.
Hard to argue with that. If I was sane, would I be debating this on FR? ;)
Seriously, there was a time that I would have agreed with you, probably for the very same reasons. I am a totally sane and honest person. I'm a Chemical Engineer. As a Christian, I didn't have a problem with Theistic Evolution. But what changed my opinion was the scientific evidence--not religion.
Right. I was being questioned on why if I thought Spider-Man was mythical too, that I didn't go after him. I pointed out that he hadn't all this baggage attributed to him. Now we can disagree with the various sects and whether they represent true Christianity -- but they all claim to, and really, as an outsider non-believer I seriously have no means to pick and choose between them. I pefer the more peaceful sects, but that would be purely my own bias rather than some revelation I have directly from God.
Was this made up?
Here are my positions on Isaiah 53. I have used red text to differentiate my text from the biblical text. I have used blue to bold any words for my point.
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| Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? This is Isaiah speaking, so why would Isaiah use the word our? This is simple when we understand that God ids a three part God. Look at it in comparison to the Genesis account when God said, let us make man in our image. The term arm of the Lord is used by Jews even in this day. In Hebrew, it is Zeroah Adonai. It is the term that refers to the bone that Jews would use to replace the Pesach Lamb, should the meal be eaten outside of the city of Jerusalem. Jesus was the Arm of the Lord, because He was offered outside the city. The term revealed was used because some saw Him, but did not understand Him. They had no revelation, because they couldn't get past religion. Christ Jesus came as a common man. We read in Philippians chapter 2, and John chapter 1, that he gave up everything to serve the very ones He created. To make it simple, He didn't come to wear the crown. He came to provide an opportunity to share the inheritance, as the later verses in Isaiah 53 point out. It is easy to see Christ Jesus here. We know that He was despised, as the leaders of the Pharisees, and the Sadducees were constantly attempting to cross Him up in His words. He wasn't providing them any job security. I'm sure that it's easy to determine that He was despised and rejected, based on His death alone. He was considered to be smitten of God, based on the fact that the Chief Priest claimed that Christ Jesus was guilty of blasphemy. They said that He was guilty of blasphemy, since he called Himself the Son of God, making Himself equal with God. John the Baptist said, "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world." Christ also brought peace to those who will believe, hence the Name Prince of Peace. We know that Christ Jesus took stripes for us at His chastisement. It's not by mistake that the Lord used the unleavened bread to act as a rehearsal for the real thing. At the Last Supper, Jesus had the man take the bread and He began to give them the revelation that they had been needing for so long. The Jews had been eating this bread for 1500 years, but now they were able to see its meaning. The unleavened bread is full of stripes and pits, or holes. This is symbolic of the perfect person of Jesus, along with the stripes and piercing that He would take for the rest of us. In John chapter It is perfect that the lamb is used as an analogy here, as Christ came as the last Pesach sacrifice. The One that would last forever. He is the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world. We know that while Jesus was in judgment, He kept His mouth quiet at one point. One told Christ that the power to kill Him was in his hands. Jesus claimed that the power was in the hand of God. Isaiah 53:8 As we know, Christ Jesus was in captivity for some time, as He was whipped. As we know, He died on the cross. This is definitely out of the land of the living. And god made sure to tell us once again, it was for our sin. And He made His grave with the wicked. It's amazing how often that is passed by. Christ chose to die with wicked men. He died between two others, although He had done no violence. He was in the rich in His death, since He took the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea. Isaiah 53:10 Once again, we see that John the Baptist was correct, when he said that Christ Jesus came to take away the sin of the world. Christ shall return to see His seed. How can anyone miss this? We have a prophecy that a dead man will see His seed. How can He do that unless He return? This is the one that the prophet says we will see, as he writes, "we shall look upon Him whom we have pierced." In case we missed it the first few times, Jesus was the offering for sin. This is the point of salvation. So many say that Christ came to save us from Hell. There is a point of truth in that, but He didn't come simply to provide fire insurance. One cannot simply be saved from something, he must be saved to something. Christ Jesus is the Second Adam. The choice to make the right decision was given to Jesus. Just as the actions of Adam affected us all, so do the actions of Christ Jesus. He came to restore the earth to it's place of dignity. He will reign here for 1000 years, on the Throne of David. Christ is the Lord. He alone is worthy to hold the office of Christ. But, we have a promise that we will share in the kingdom. Even the mother of James and John knew this as she was playing politics with Jesus to have her sons sit on either side of Him when He comes into His kingdom. There is plenty of room for more people to serve with Christ, but the door will not be open forever. We need to come to a recognition of our sin, as we see that the Messiah is an offering for sin. |
Frankly I was actually surprised he did -- but he did. And I can't recall his posting name off the top of my head. It is somewhere in my posting history, but a few weeks back now. I don't think I could easily find it. I'll just assert that it happened or you can trust me or not. :-)
I also recall there are some web sites -- "God hates fags too" or something like that.
I need you to link it, and you need to allow me to give my opinion of whether or not the person has a history of agreeing with me, or any of my Christian brothers/sisters here.
If you disagree with Christianity/God, that's one thing, but at least you need to have the courtesy of honoring us with legitimate debate, and refrain from this ridiculous talk about Christians sponsoring the murder of homosexuals. It does not help your argument.
I also recall there are some web sites -- "God hates fags too" or something like that.
Just because some one uses God's name does not make them Christian, does it?
There is a difference between a sect and a cult, you know.
Excellent commentary! You might be interested in these links to commentaries by one of the translators of the Dead Sea Scrolls, Fred P. Miller
Isaiah's Use of the word "Branch" or Nazarene
The last is of particular interest ----
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Each and every one claims to represent the one true religion.
I hate it when He does that.
There are more here but some are a little naughty. There isn't any nudity or anything, just uhm, creepiness. ^_^
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