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Intelligent Design? (Another School Board Disclaimers Evolution)
Creative Loafing - Atlanta ^

Posted on 05/23/2002 10:38:31 AM PDT by Condorman

The Cobb County statement

BY KEVIN GRIFFIS

"This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully and critically examined."

And now a word from the author
Kenneth Miller is a Brown University biology professor and one of the most prominent voices in the science community's debate against intelligent design creationism. He also happens to be the author of one of the textbooks -- "Prentice Hall Biology" -- in which Cobb County will place disclaimers that warn students about evolution.
So what does Miller think about the decision to put the statements in the textbooks? He suggests Cobb County's logic is seriously flawed:

"Evolution is a theory. It is a theory in the same sense as the atomic theory of matter or the germ theory of disease. This is what scientists mean by theories: In the scientific hierarchy, theories are higher than fact, because theories explain facts. Facts are simply individual, isolated, verifiable observations or experimental results.

"For example, is it fact that the sun is shining in the sky where I am right now? Yes. Is it a fact that in an hour the sun will have apparently moved its position? Yeah. That's a fact as well. Is it a fact that the moon will rise a little bit later today after the sun sets? Yeah. So you have all these facts. How can we put all these facts together? The Copernican theory of the solar system, the heliocentric theory of the solar system, is a theory that makes sense of all these facts.

"Evolution is a theory that makes sense of millions of facts of natural history -- the age of the earth, the succession of fossils in the fossil record, the genetic capabilities of organisms -- and as such it ties things together in an extraordinary way that has been equaled by few theories in biology.

"Should evolution be critically examined? Yes. Everything in science should be critically examined. If the disclaimer were to urge that all scientific theories should be critically examined with an eye toward the evidence and contrary points of views and so forth, it would have my complete agreement.

"The one mistake that I see in the disclaimer is singling out evolution as apparently the only theory that should be critically examined in science. There are counter-arguments to just about everything in science, including general and special relativity, which are still highly controversial in physics, but nonetheless we teach because they are the best and most widely applicable, generally acceptable theories. The mistake of the disclaimer is to single out [evolution] for special attention and special criticism as if it alone among scientific theories is uniquely weak, uniquely shaky or uniquely suspect. That is definitely not the case."


05.22.02


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: cobbcountygeorgia; crevolist; evolution; intelligentdesign
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Public schools in Cobb Co., GA (the northwest part of metro Atlanta) are giving in to pressure from religious ID theorists, and are adding disclaimers and warning labels to their biology books. For the sake of bandwidth, I have posted only one of the side items from the main article in which an author of one of the disclaimered textbooks states his response to the Cobb County disclaimer. The main article is a fairly lengthy, but well-written summary of the conflict between ID and the theory of evolution.

From the main story: "The problem is intelligent design theory (IDT), which allows that evolution has occurred but asserts life was started by a creator, isn't science or a theory. It's more a list of arguments against Darwinian evolution at life's most basic level."

See also the small section on Answering Intelligent Design.

1 posted on 05/23/2002 10:38:31 AM PDT by Condorman
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To: Condorman
I'm wondering why some publishers of science textbooks don't include similar disclaimers for anything else to throw off the ID-worshippers demands. After all, the best that anything can become in science is "theory" -- calling evolution a theory is factually correct, though disingenous because ID proponents pretend that a "theory" is nothing more than a guess.
2 posted on 05/23/2002 10:52:15 AM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
Absolutely correct. And that is the essence of the author's comments. Painted broadly, nothing can ever prove a theory; theories are measured in terms of explanatory and predictive power. You can only find evidence in support of your theory. The more evidence you can find, and the success of a theory's predictions, the greater the strength of the theory.
3 posted on 05/23/2002 11:00:34 AM PDT by Condorman
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To: Condorman
"For example, is it fact that the sun is shining in the sky where I am right now? Yes. Is it a fact that in an hour the sun will have apparently moved its position? Yeah.

NO! anything with a future time is NOT a fact, it is a projection, or a postulate. A fact is something that HAS happened, and you have unarguable evidence that it happened.
In the example given, what if a really big meteor hit the earth at an angle that changed the earth's rotation rate from 24 hours to 365 days. There would be tidal waves and earthquakes and chaos, but next hour the sun would not have moved. So much for that fact.

4 posted on 05/23/2002 11:02:12 AM PDT by det dweller too
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To: det dweller too
Picky, picky. :^P

Allow me to step into the role of proofreader and editor for Mr. Miller and rewrite the statement to "Is it a fact that the sun has apparently moved its position from an hour ago? Yeah."

The thrust of his argument is unchanged.

5 posted on 05/23/2002 11:09:30 AM PDT by Condorman
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To: *crevo_list
bump
6 posted on 05/23/2002 11:15:57 AM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin;Dimensio; Doctor Stochastic; donh; gcruse; general_re; gjenkins; Godel;Gumlegs...
Aw well, let's try this :^)
7 posted on 05/23/2002 11:42:06 AM PDT by BMCDA
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To: Condorman
The one mistake that I see in the disclaimer is singling out evolution as apparently the only theory that should be critically examined in science. There are counter-arguments to just about everything in science

Absolutely true. The real problem is that we teach science so poorly. All science below the college (probably grad school) level is oversimplified to the point of inaccuracy.

8 posted on 05/23/2002 11:47:23 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian
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To: Lurking Libertarian
Absolutely true. The real problem is that we teach science so poorly. All science below the college (probably grad school) level is oversimplified to the point of inaccuracy.

I second the motion Mr. Chairman! And I would add that religion in public schools is not taught at all.

9 posted on 05/23/2002 11:51:04 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: BMCDA
How do the long lists work? When I look at the source, no all the names are there.
10 posted on 05/23/2002 11:53:10 AM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
no = not
11 posted on 05/23/2002 11:53:34 AM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gladwin
Do let G3K see you post that.
12 posted on 05/23/2002 11:56:02 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
Do = don't
13 posted on 05/23/2002 11:56:20 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Gumlegs
That would be awful, wouldn't it?
14 posted on 05/23/2002 11:57:37 AM PDT by Gladwin
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To: Gumlegs
Do let G3K see you post that.

No worry - he is likely to get it.

15 posted on 05/23/2002 11:59:20 AM PDT by general_re
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To: general_re
is = isn't
16 posted on 05/23/2002 11:59:40 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Gladwin; gumlegs
You too sure are have problems with typos, today, isn't you?
17 posted on 05/23/2002 12:00:02 PM PDT by Condorman
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To: general_re
Heheh... see above.
18 posted on 05/23/2002 12:00:29 PM PDT by Condorman
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To: Condorman, general_re
Should that be to you two too?
19 posted on 05/23/2002 12:02:15 PM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: Condorman
The Copernican theory of the solar system, the heliocentric theory of the solar system, is a theory that makes sense of all these facts.

The "Copernican theory" is no longer a theory (call the guys in the Space Shuttle and bloody well ask them). It is an established fact. Evolution remains a theory since it can be neither proved nor disproved. Attempting to equate the two is intellectually dishonest.

My, but how the evolutionists scream when their precious little orthodoxy is challenged in any manner. Sheesh!

20 posted on 05/23/2002 12:09:02 PM PDT by FormerLib
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