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This Is Education?
ToogoodReports ^ | May 22, 2002 | Chuck Baldwin

Posted on 05/22/2002 4:25:40 AM PDT by Starmaker

Preliminary scores from the Florida Comprehensive Assessment Test are in, and the results are not good. According to published reports, "Statewide, in the ninth grade only 29 percent of students met or exceeded the state's minimum competency level in reading and math." Tenth grade scores were better, but not by much. When one considers the inordinate amount of tax dollars that are thrown into public education, these numbers scream of irresponsibility, waste, and utter failure!

Sadly, this report is nothing new. We have witnessed these kinds of statistics for years! Sadder still is the fact that the only answer being advanced by today's politicians (from both parties), academicians, and journalists is to throw even more dollars down this rat hole.

When are we going to admit it? Modern public education is nothing more than a monstrous waste of taxpayers' money! The failure of government schools to produce even nominal education is so glaring that to even consider sending our children to most of these institutions of sub-level learning should be regarded as cruel and unusual punishment. However, the worst part of the story does not even show up in FCAT results.

The worst part of the story is the utter vacuum of basic morality that permeates these halls of hideousness. The secularization of our state education systems (thanks to federal intrusion) has become so complete, so pervasive that it is considered unconstitutional and even un-American to recognize (much less teach) the most fundamental virtues.

There is no neutrality regarding Judeo/Christian principles in most of our public schools today; there is open hostility! Anything — and I mean anything — that smacks of these values is openly condemned. The animosity and anger against bedrock moral principles are so aggressive it can only be regarded as either pure propaganda or humanistic hysteria, or both.

Instead of throwing more money into an education system proven to fail, we should completely purge it from the things that contribute to its failure. This means dismantling the federal Department of Education, returning education to the states and local communities by accepting zero federal dollars, and reinstituting respect and appreciation for America's Judeo/Christian heritage.

Since it is extremely unlikely that any of the above will be done, the only sensible course left to us is to take the responsibility of educating our children away from the government schools. Home schooling, private schooling, and Christian schooling are very vibrant and viable options.

In the mean time, the vast majority of America's public school students will continue to languish academically but learn to excel in the fine art of social maladjustment and moral misbehavior. This is education?


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1 posted on 05/22/2002 4:25:40 AM PDT by Starmaker
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To: George from BrOOklyn Park
Dismantle the Dept. of Education!
2 posted on 05/22/2002 4:58:08 AM PDT by Lucky
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To: Starmaker
And the answer to this problem is always; we don't have enough "resources" (money).
3 posted on 05/22/2002 5:09:11 AM PDT by jonefab
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To: Starmaker
There is no neutrality regarding Judeo/Christian principles in most of our public schools today; there is open hostility!

For a corroborating story check this link about a Florida school board (with low FCAT scores, I might add) that nixed an assembly because the word "faith" is involved.

4 posted on 05/22/2002 5:17:01 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: jonefab
Oddly, the my county scores were well above state averages and spending per pupil well below state averages.

However, you'll never hear any school-related person ever mention GIGO.

5 posted on 05/22/2002 5:19:08 AM PDT by Eagle Eye
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To: Lucky
Dismantle the Dept. of Education!

Yeah, Right. Bubba Junior just signed the Education Bill remember. The one that dumps an EXPANDED Dept. of Ed. budget down the toilet of mediocracy.

But don't blame GW, he was real busy with other things to put too much time in on it, like the Campaign finance Bill and the super inflated Farm Bill.

Ahhhh, isn't it nice to have a Conservative at the helm......(/sarcasm)

6 posted on 05/22/2002 5:20:59 AM PDT by Area51
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To: 2JedisMom
ping.
7 posted on 05/22/2002 6:07:43 AM PDT by TxBec
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To: jonefab
The problem is that if we were to privatize public education, we would have to spend 5 times as much on prisons to lock up all the parents that don't have the where-with-all or resources to see that their children are in school. THE GOVT UNDERSTANDS THIS.

Homeschooling is good for some, but not many parents in America. You are wasting your time dreaming about privatized education in America, it will be federalized long before privatized; and then the game will be over. The education industry will buy off the politicals even quicker than today and govt mind control will be the norm.

I see local education being corrupted more and more by federal money. The school districts would sell their souls to the devil to get more funding from the feds. Just take a look at special education and you will see the future designs on the entire education spectrum; and the repubs cannot throw enough money towards education. The school districts are still broke and underfunded. Writings on the wall, federalization.

I guess as a conservative teacher, I am astounded at the lack of understanding of the problem by many freepers. Playing right into their hands rather than solving the problems. Remember your vote determines who controls education. Maybe everyone should begin by attending a local school board meeting?

8 posted on 05/22/2002 6:19:19 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Starmaker
Big problem with education in FLorida are teachers salaries. They are abysmally low. The problem is that teachers require a college education. When teachers salaries are significantly below private sector salaries for people with the same education, then the more competent people will enter the private sector and the less competent people wind up being teachers. Salaries need to be brought up to what the private sector pays so schools may compete for the best people to fill teaching positions. Otherwise, our kids will be taught by the college stagglers and not the people that actually know what they are talking about.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating flushing money down the education toilet represented by the current teachers or on more "resources" (whatever that means. On a theoretical level, salary economics determine who will do the teaching.

9 posted on 05/22/2002 6:41:57 AM PDT by doc30
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To: summer
Ping
10 posted on 05/22/2002 6:42:45 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Eska
Please! Enough with the feds are destroying Education BS. I I worked in education for 18 years. It is NOT the Feds. that are destroying it. They have dumped Billions into a bottomless pit.

Try looking at NEA's agenda(I still get their propaganda in the mail), The Democratic Party's attempt at indocrination, and the Unions protecting the freeloading, burnt out "Colleagues" by fighting testing of Teachers for basics.

11 posted on 05/22/2002 6:53:47 AM PDT by Area51
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To: Eska
These same parents will "raise" children that disrupt the classroom and make a mockery of learning. Do you want your 14 year old daughter sitting next to a 14 year old boy/man that isn't motivated to learn and is in school for no other reason than its mandated by law that he be there? In my state funding for schools is determined by so many dollars for each child. Weighting factors are then applied for extra costs such as low enrollment weighting, bussing, at risk etc. This system makes some sense but it was put in place when school populations were stable, it breaks down when populations fluctuate. I guess the upshot is, if children aren’t motivated to learn, they should be somewhere else and not in school. Maybe a job would be in order something to make them think about their future or lack thereof.
12 posted on 05/22/2002 6:54:41 AM PDT by jonefab
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To: doc30
Hit the nail on the head. Up here, 5th year degree leading to Master's is required to start at 31,000. Not many takers in schools today with all the politics and social problems in our schools. Not worth the headaches. Why I say more freepers should return to school, spend 40,000 and 2 years to get another degree, become conservative teachers, and change the NEA/System from it's roots. Seems many rather blame teachers and stick their heads up their butts though.
13 posted on 05/22/2002 6:55:17 AM PDT by Eska
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To: Area51
"... and the Unions protecting the freeloading..."

Example: WEA orders teachers and their representatives to be quiet, or else

14 posted on 05/22/2002 7:02:51 AM PDT by EdReform
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To: Eska
Attending a local school board meeting would be such a waste of time, and my boys dont have time to waste while you public school idiots get your act together. My sons have never seen the inside of a public school, and God willing never will. The public scrools are a lost cause, and the only solution is to dismantle, de-fund, and get our kids out of the cesspool.
15 posted on 05/22/2002 7:12:07 AM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike
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To: Lucky
Because we won't win that battle first we need to work at taking control of the Dept. of Ed. Conservative control.
16 posted on 05/22/2002 7:35:18 AM PDT by RAT Patrol
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To: Lucky
Dismantle the Dept. of Education!

Wasn't that a Republican Party platform goal once?

They had the opportunity in the latter half of the 1990s when they controlled both houses of Congress to defund this department. Indeed, they briefly, until Jefford's treachery, controlled both houses and the Presidency. So, opportunity existed, but they did not act upon it.

One can only conclude that the Republican Party wants the Department of Education to exist. So does the Democrat Party. So what's the difference? A dime's worth?

17 posted on 05/22/2002 7:55:14 AM PDT by Jay W
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To: Eska
First of all, don't privatize government indoctrination (none dare call the amoral cesspools of government indoctrination "education"), abolish it altogether. The government "schools" produce very, very little other than training little Johnny to think that his salvation lies in government.

Second, admit that your love of this utterly failed system is really not how much you can do "for the children, for the children..." but rather your desire to have a nice snug, secure job in which you work, on average, every other day for that starting pay of $31,000, have a giant chunk of time to yourself in the summer vacation period to further augment your income, need be accountable to no one for performance, get protected by one of two unions (association or federation) which lead the union movement in corruption of every sort, in which it would take an act of Congress or a military attack to remove the incompetents who predominate in every level of your "profession."

Third, would you care to imagine what the level of support from an overtaxed and overregulated public might be for the exorbitant waste of dollars which is the hallmark of government schools if they were not not a necessity for two-earner families as government provided baby-sitting?

Fourth, would you care to justify the necessity of graduate education degrees for kindergarten, grammar school or high school? Would you agree that those who best teach math are those who best understand math. Likewise for history, grammar, language, literature, sciences?

Fifth, would you care to give us your or your union's justifications for the closed guild system of time and money-wasting pursuit of "education" degrees necessary to enter into your occupation?

Sixth, do you think that people who have reasonably orthodox beliefs in God are somehow obligated to turn their youngsters over to a system hostile to God and hostile to Judaeo-Christian religion? Should fifth-graders be receiving condoms from their government "schools" with or without parental knowledge?

As to dropping everything to run off to the local "normal" school as brainwashing factories for government educators used to be called, to show one's submissiveness to the agenda of government and the NEA as a qualification to become a brainwasher of children whether you know the substantive course material or not, no thanks. It is far easier to educate my own children at home in the values of their faith, their civilization and high competence in language, grammar, literature, the Saxon Math program (hated by government incompetents everywhere because that series commits the unpardonable sin of giving kids expertise in math), sciences, and courses unseen in generations like Latin, Greek, ethics, logic, speech and other classics courses.

And you have the colossal gall to claim that Freepers who object to this socialist, amoral system of raping the minds, competence and capability of America's children JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!?!?!?!?

You suggest that we should go to school board meetings. Will that help educate my home-schooled kids? Will the school board listen? Will the educrats listen? No, in all cases. If my vote can strip the school board of those who want to STEAL more of my family's money, I will vote. Otherwise, it is in my interest and that of every taxpayer that this fraud mislabeled "public education" be abolished at the earliest opportunity. You, as a government teacher, when you collect your salary, are in receipt of stolen goods. You are not a moral role model for that reason alone.

In the event that you are actually a moral person, resign, set up a decent private academy for kids whose parents cannot homeschool them. Take the risk of depending upon parental recognition in a free market to pay your salary. You will find that most private sector teachers receive less than their government school counterparts BUT earn much more than they receive.

Finally, I suppose that the government schools do provide one good thing: a large supply of ignorant drones who will inevitably be ruled by those who possess genuine homeschool or private educations. My kids thank you for that.

AND, by the way, as you can see, we Freepers DO understand.

18 posted on 05/22/2002 8:07:58 AM PDT by BlackElk
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To: Starmaker
Do to the NEA what Klintoon did to the country for 8 years!
19 posted on 05/22/2002 8:11:19 AM PDT by Don Corleone
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To: Eska
No lack of understqnding here.I have been to school board meetings. It is the NEA and the liberals, the socialists and top heavy administration (pay and perks )that are involved in the destruction of public education,Eska, not the feds.
20 posted on 05/22/2002 8:15:25 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross
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