Christianity turns the other cheek-Where is the outrage when a church is desecrated?

National Post Online ^ | 05/13/02 | Raymond J. de Souza

[ThinkingMan]

Christianity is the true religion- not a religion of symbols and ceremony. It is truly a religion of peace.

[sonserae]

At the time this happened, the temple was holy...but through Jesus' death and ressurection, the curtain of the holy of holies was ripped in two and it symolized that we have access to God through Christ and not some building. Come on people. When we make anything material "holy" we are making it an "idol" and Christ forbids that...

[sonserae]

Go back to your scriptures again. Sometimes Christian's have a way of justifying their anger through scriptures. Their anger is their issue but it wasn't Christs. Christ's sword was speaking about how His message would cause conflict. It didn't say that we should fight and kill. It's anger that destroys the world...both by Christians and non-Christians.

[Salman]

And when the Hagia Sophia was desecrated?

The Hagia Sophia wasn't merely desecrated, it was converted to a Mosque.

[lavaroise]

When we make anything material "holy" we are making it an "idol" and Christ forbids that...

This is preposterous to call people who defend their turf and Christian jurisdiction as idolaters. At least those christians do not take your self-idolating and self-granted prosecutorial jurisdiction. Since when defending the concept of jurisdiction, and, let alone, the concept of supreme juridical authority in general, equivalent to worshiping Christ amongst Christians, was idolatry???

[Beau Schott]

We do not 'worship' buildings, but they can be sacred to us. They hold meaning for us. They are the repositories of our history. They help focus our faith and our communities. But perhaps the greatest testament to this particular spot -- the only one SOME people will accept -- lies in the gospel of John. Mary herself said, "The place is sanctified." And should remain so. This IS an outrage. The seventy-times-seven has been reached and exceeded, still with no repentance in sight. In other words -- ENOUGH ALREADY! This Christian is very angry!

I can not find this unfamiliar idea in my bible, could you please give the book and verse to which you are referring.

[sonserae]

Deut 4:15-20

You saw no form of any kind the day the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the fire. Therefore watch yourselves very carefully, so that you do not become corrupt and make for yourselves an idol, an image of any shape, whether formed like a man or a woman, or like any animal on earth or any bird that flies in the air, 18 or like any creature that moves along the ground or any fish in the waters below. 19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

[lavaroise]

It's anger that destroys the world...both by Christians and non-Christians.

First I never mentioned anger, let alone the worshiping of anger. And what is destruction of the world but loss of jurisdiction? If we cannot protect a child from a pedophile or a church from terrorists, how can we pretend to wish well for the world and Christ's jurisdiction?

Anger is hardly the problem, but people who think they own jurisdictions they do not. When someone accuses others' anger as being the cause for destruction, they are way out of their jurisdictional limits in depicting people or the world.

[sonserae]

Since when is "jurisdiction" a Christian concept? You are putting your humanistic theories into Christianity.

[lavaroise]

19 And when you look up to the sky and see the sun, the moon and the stars-all the heavenly array-do not be enticed into bowing down to them and worshiping things the Lord your God has apportioned to all the nations under heaven.

Again, whoever studies or protects the sight of the heavens is not to be relegated to the idolators some make them out to be. They could simply do these things with the Lord in mind, just as a man may grant temporary jurisdiction to the grass he grows for his sheep in order to fulfill domination over the Earth's creatures as commanded by God.

[Kay Soze]

Amen!

Where is the outrage!

The 18 month reign of terror was brought by the PLO under the pretext of Sharon visiting the Temple Mount. He did not set foot in the Al Asqa Mosque!

He had prior permission from Jibril Rajoub, the head of the Palestinian Authority's Preventive Security services. He authorized in advance the Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount.

Rajoub even stated there would be no reaction.

Sharon did not seize the Al Asqa Mosque.

He did not bring machine guns into the Al Asqa Mosque.

He did not plant bombs in the Al Asqa Mosque.

He did not urinate on the floor of the the Al Asqa Mosque.

Will Israel now be in her first month of an 18 month reign of nonstop terror? Major point:

One of the paramount issues in considering a future nation which the Arabs will call Palestine is the guarantee of Holy sites in the areas they would control. Given that we just witnessed the "Al Asqa Seize & Pee Brigade” desecrate one of the most Holy Christian sites, we can never allow a Palestinian state to have any control over Jerusalem or any of the Holy Sites which are not Muslim. PERIOD.

[lavaroise]

Humanistic theories? where does come this other painting of yours? Since when God was not jurisdiction and had no jurisdiction? Lest we deny His authority? Of course it is a Christian concept: from the dominance of the animals by Adam, to Luke.23:

[6] When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked whether the man were a Galilaean.
[7] And as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who himself also was at Jerusalem at that time.
[8] And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.

Matt.22
[17] Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
[21] They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Jurisdiction Not a christian concept?????

[Revelation 911]

14In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. 15So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16To those who sold doves he said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father's house into a market!"

I shudder to think what God has in store for them after having used it as a urinal

[sonserae]

You did a great job proving your point wrong. Thank you. Those jurisdictions you mentioned were man's jurisdictions, not God's.

[Dumb_Ox]

Our Lord may have been born there, but he isn't there anymore

Those of us who maintain the ancient Christian belief in the Eucharistic Presence will vehemently disagree with you there. I hope the Blessed Sacrament was preserved from desecration.

[sonserae]

There is no mention in the scriptures of what you are speaking. The Eucharist concept is a Catholic belief and not scripturally based at all.

[lavaroise]

You did a great job proving your point wrong. Thank you. Those jurisdictions you mentioned were man's jurisdictions, not God's.

Render onto God is not God's jurisdiction? Creating man in His image to dominate the Earth's creatures not a representation of jurisdiction? The Bible using the word jurisdiction, even in contexts of man means jurisdiction is not a christian thing? Yourself as a christian taking over jurisdiction on this thread not a christian thing? Give us a break.

[sonserae]

NOPE.

[lavaroise]

NOPE??? Go away if you do not accept jurisdiction for christians yet enjoy it so much on this forum moralising other christians over it.

[JeepInMazar]

Those of us who maintain the ancient Christian belief in the Eucharistic Presence will vehemently disagree with you there. I hope the Blessed Sacrament was preserved from desecration.

Wow, it really sounds like you are into Christian religion and the traditions of men. Try reading the Bible, you may find it to be very refeshing.