So we can kill every convicted felon, since he has no right to life? We can use some really cruel and unusual punishments on them, since you just declared their rights forfeit? They lose their rights to see their families, visitors, or lawyers? They lose their right to appeal their conviction? They lose the right to eat?
No, they don't. In other words, the above statement is incorrect. Period.
You also expanded my statement in a classic straw-man argument. Those in prison do not have the right to bear arms. They do lose their right to Liberty, for a specific period of time. However, when they are released from prison, their right to defend themselves, including with a gun, should be restored with all of their other rights.
You feel that way about Ow - OWIE? You would put a gun in his hands so that he can defend himself from us, should he ever be let out of prison - which, thank heaven, he won't???
So we can kill every convicted felon, since he has no right to life? We can use some really cruel and unusual punishments on them, since you just declared their rights forfeit? They lose their rights to see their families, visitors, or lawyers? They lose their right to appeal their conviction? They lose the right to eat?
No, they don't. In other words, the above statement is incorrect. Period.
You also expanded my statement in a classic straw-man argument. Those in prison do not have the right to bear arms. They do lose their right to Liberty, for a specific period of time. However, when they are released from prison, their right to defend themselves, including with a gun, should be restored with all of their other rights.
Actually you are the one setting up straw men. Reread my statement. C-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
I said "A convicted felon forfeits rights accruing to an American citizen. Period."
Your argument changes my statement to "A convicted felon forfeits ALL rights accruing to an American citizen. Period."
That is not what I said, and that certainly is not what I meant. Save the sophistry for your students. A prisoner loses rights. A prisoner loses rights to bear arms, to order his own life, to dress as he wishes, to read what he wishes, to eat what he wishes, to privacy.
There is a loooong body of case law and precident that supports that.
For that matter, what Constitutional Amendment enumerates a right to privacy? The First? That guarantees the right to freedom of press, speech, assembly, and religion. (And courts have long ruled that prisoners forefeit some of those). The last? That covers Presidential succession. Perhaps one somewhere in the middle? If so, which one? Be specific, Teach.
And remember, the Fourth only covers unreasonable searches and seizures. The courts have given a pretty broad latitude as to what constitutes reasonable in the pen. A man's home is his castle. The courts have upheld that many times. But a prison cell is not a home.
A criminal punnishment of a "Life Without Guns", as long as it is not cruel and unusual(current law) is Constitutional.