TWA Flight 800 - "Our Must See Video"

Accuracy In Media ^ | 7 May 2002 | Reed Irvine and Cliff Kincaid

[Asmodeus]

Reed Irvine was closely allied for years with recently deceased Commander William Donaldson USN (ret) - still alleged in the Donaldson brothers' Associated Retired Aviation Professionals-The Flight 800 Investigation to have had "extensive experience as a Naval crash investigator". Donaldson's actual experience as an "air crash investigator" is clarified to some extent here. Additional clarification on Accuracy In Media's support of Donaldson is included there and here which also includes Irvine's articles arising out of his being hoaxed by a "whistleblower".

Many have been led to suspect or believe the "missile witnesses" and "missile(s) shootdown" allegations published for years by Reed Irvine, the Donaldson brothers and Ian Goddard, among others. The NTSB denies their allegations. It should go without saying that one side or the other is spreading misinformation.

The "Missile Witnesses" Myth is a detailed and documented rebuttal of the allegations that there were "missile witnesses". None of those alleging there were "missile witnesses" have been able todate to provide anything remotely resembling a meaningful rebuttal of it.

Similarly, none of those making the "missile(s) shootdown" or "bomb" allegations have been able todate to publicly present any physical evidence that a missile or bomb was involved in the disaster, much less anything remotely resembling a meaningful rebuttal of The Sworn Testimony of FBI Chief Metallurgist William Tobin that there was no physical evidence of either a missile or bomb in the wreckage.

[Diogenesis]

"She calls Dan Rather’s comments dismissing the missile theory,
"just plain inappropriate," and adds that when he made them,
he "took off his journalist’s hat and became a communications officer for the government." "

Whose government? Whose frequency?

[Dixie republican]

Does the book suggest that out forces shot the plane down? If not, why would the government hide it?

[Psycho_Bunny]

Just say "No" to Flight 800 threads.

[sultan88]

Airplane crash bump!

[Mind-numbed Robot]

Does the book suggest that our forces shot the plane down? If not, why would the government hide it?

There is evidence that Bill Clinton, for what ever reason, was not anxious to face the terrorism problem headon. Some say that is what was behind a coverup of Flight 800 and the OKC bombing. To allow the truth to come out would have forced Clinton to take actions he did not want to take.

The truth? Who knows at this point. It is obvious that the govenment lies and hides things from the public. Sometimes that is necessary and appropriate, sometimes it is CYA.

[NetValue]

I might buy the video if it considered the MOST LIKELY cause of TWA-800's destruction - a shoe-bomber. In the early reports after the wreckage was salvaged, there were reports of traces of C-4 explosive which the FBI explained away as residue from tests where bomb-sniffing dogs were exercised. That could be the correct cause, but it is dubious. Since the TWA-800 crash we have seen that the Muslim terrorism directed at us between 1993 and 2001 perceived the shoe-bomb as an effective method. Why won't anyone, the media or the government re-look at the evidence?

[Asmodeus]

Mr. LIPINSKI. Excuse me, Commander, but how many military air crashes have you participated in as a lead investigator?

Commander DONALDSON. Lead investigator, one or two.

Mr. LIPINSKI. How many overall?

Commander DONALDSON. Because of the way that the military is structured, I have supervised probably a dozen. I go through and critique in the superior-the wing safety officer, for instance, reviews every squadron crash in detail--

Mr. LIPINSKI. So as lead, one or two, and you were involved in 12 other ones. Have you ever participated in an official investigation of a civil air crash?

Commander DONALDSON. No.

Mr. LIPINSKI. Who funds your research?

Commander DONALDSON. No one has funded my research. I have had direct reimbursement for bills for rental cars and for motels, and that is about it, through Accuracy in Media.

Mr. LIPINSKI. Accuracy in Media?

Commander DONALDSON. Right.
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[sultan88]

Interesting (to me) topic!

[NCDoc]

Several passengers sitting forward of the wing were riddled by shrapnel. It's on record. Those over the wing, and the center fuel tank, which supposedly exploded, were not. That shrapnel had to have come from a high velocity explosion that took place somewhere in the vicinity of the foreward part of the aircraft.

[Asmodeus]

"The truth? Who knows at this point. It is obvious that the govenment lies and hides things from the public. Sometimes that is necessary and appropriate, sometimes it is CYA."

Truth is always dependent on facts - not suspicions, speculations, allegations or accusations.

[Tennessee_Bob]

Bump for later reading

[LouD]

I personally believe that an arcing fault ignited the center wing fuel tank vapors.

There is no way a naval vessel could have fired a missile that resulted in the aircraft exploding in mid-air, and kept it under wraps. Hundreds of people would know about it, and our military is just not that good at keeping secrets - especially something of that magnitude.

If there was a missile, the most reasonable scenario is a terrorist attack from a boat on Long Island Sound, but I believe that the plane had already climbed above the operational ceiling of a Stinger, the most likely weapon in that scenario.

[EggsAckley]

bttt

[lelio]

Their site says that you can get the video from them, but I can't find a link. Looks like they also produced / financed the "Waco: Rules of Engagement" video as well.

[RaceBannon]

My brother-in-law's father saw a streak of light go from the ocean to the sky, then explode. He thought it was fireworks when he saw it. Within the hour, he heard of the explosion.

He was playing in a band on Long Island at the time, facing the sea.

[RaceBannon]

I find the electrical system theory faulty myself. I used to be in aviation, and have personnaly witnessed lit matches thrown into buckets of JP-5. No flame, the matches went out.