Bush Chooses Clinton for East Timor Mission

USA Today ^ | 05/06/2002 | Bill Nichols

[TonyInOhio]

WASHINGTON

[doug from upland]

Ralph Nader cost Algore the White House. You will receive a thank you card from Satan's Daughter in 2004 if enough people join you and vote for a third party.

Politics is the art of the practical. You certainly are free to vote for Harry Browne or whomever because Bush has disappointed you. You will feel good for awhile that you voted your conscience, but then what? Someone with whom you disagree more and who is a danger to this republic now has the reins of power. The protest vote would have been futile and the RATS are now in charge of foreign policy. Lord, help us.

In a national election, only when a third party has enough of a percentage to legitimately challenge the other two parties is it wise to vote for that third party. That's my take on it.

[BeAChooser]

He has displayed his disgust at Clinton and at Hillary Clinton and at Algore in many ways up until now - the most recent being the Hillary in the Burka joke at Saturday's Dinner. (Notice, he did not call her "Senator" Clinton!!!)

I don't go by what people say ... I go by what they do. A great many democRATS have also expressed their disgust at the Clintons and Gores, yet continue to support them IN PRACTICE. Did you hear all those democRAT Senators express their disgust during the impeachment trial then vote to acquit ... even some who said what was charged was impeachable and Clinton did do those things! Sorry, there is NO EXCUSE for Bush not investigating the crimes committed by the democRATS. He took the oath to see that the laws of this land were obeyed and is just ignoring that oath. This is FAR WORSE than his father's "read my lips".

I don't agree with that plan, particularly. But that is the plan.....and President Bush and his team have done quite well so far on many issues (not all - but on many).

You show me in the Constitution or our laws where it says the President gets to decide which laws are obeyed and which are not. There is no denying that many very serious crimes were committed by the democRATS. A few words of "disgust" on Bush's part does NOT absolve him from his oath of office and responsibilities as the chief law enforcement officer of this land. And NOTHING he has done outweighs defending the sanctity of our election process (from illegal cash and votes), the sanctity of Congress (from blackmailing democRATS), and the sanctity of life (as in the deaths of Brown and Foster). NOTHING.

President Bush has said over and over again that he wants to unite the country and that he is President of all the American people.

So if he does that by ignoring our laws ... by placing political parties and their members ABOVE THE LAW ... how is he any different than a DICTATOR?

His advisors obviously think that his conservative supporters will stay with him no matter what because of the horror of the alternative.

NOWHERE is it written that "advisors" get to decide which crimes are investigated and prosecuted and which ones are not. You show us where that is written. NO EXCUSES.

They underestimate the conservative base, IMHO, of the Republican party. They forget that a huge option - one that helped ensure Clinton was elected in the first place - is either to stay home or to find a 3rd party candidate.

On this score you are absolutely right. But it is even worse. There will be conservatives like me (a life long Republican) who will actively work to expose the duplicity of stuff like that. He will not only lose my vote but the votes of many I come in contact with ... because I will tell them about the crimes that Bush ignored ... and ask them if Bush is willing to protect democRATS how can we be sure that he and his party won't commit the same crimes.

East Timor? And Clinton will not be going alone - he is part of a US Delegation!!!!

Tell me ... as part of the bargain does Clinton get a security clearance again? What materials will he and his CORRUPT staff have access to? Just wondering.

[BeAChooser]

I didn't say that I approved, I said that I was resigned to it.

Resigned? Is that what you call it? How Clintonesque.

As far as I am concerned, if you don't criticize this then by your action you are in fact approving of Bush making a diplomat out of a man who most Freepers believe to be a RAPIST, TRAITOR and MURDERER.

[Republican Wildcat]

What did East Timor do to deserve this?

[BeAChooser]

Does Bush have a mandate for such a thing? No. I love it how people here at FR forget that Bush won a minority of the popular vote. If you want such action to occur, you have to elect people that win a majority of the votes cast (for Congress and the WH).

You show me in the Constitution or ANYWHERE where it says the President has to have a "mandate" before he upholds the laws of this land. You show me ANYWHERE where it says the President must POLL THE PUBLIC before investigating crimes as serious as election tampering, blackmail of Congress, treason, murder and mass murder.

America doesn't want to see Clintoon treated like some dictator from a Banana Republic. I hate Clintoon as much as you-- I really do, but it would be irresponsible of him to do this and it would be a monumental distraction guaranteed to lose the House this fall for the GOP.

So if Bush can ignore our laws (and in so doing say leaders and party leadership are immune from our laws) because he believes it is political expedient for his party, how is he any different than a DICTATOR? How can you be sure that he won't decide that it is in the country's interest to do just what Clinton and the democRATS did ... break laws and cover those misdeeds up? You stand on the edge of a chasm.

Do you want Charlie Rangel to chair the House Ways and Means Committee? Do you want Nancy Pelosi as Majority Leader? How about Domestic and International Monetary Policy Subcommittee (of Banking) chair Maxine Waters and vice-chair Barney Frank? Judiciary Committee chair John Conyers and vice-chair Barney Frank? Vice-chair of the Constitution subcommittee (of Judiciary) Maxine Waters-- has she even read the document?

Well first of all, IF Bush investigates the crimes and prosecutes those who committed them, this will make the bloodbath Republicans suffered after Watergate look like a day in the park. Exhume Brown's body and autopsy it ... find traces of a bullet wound ... and the democRAT party is going to be running for cover. Prove that democRATS took illegal money from Riady, claimed they returned it, and didn't and democRATS will be running for cover. Show that information from the FBI files is still in democRAT hands and that Ken Starr was a democRAT plant ... and you will DESTROY the democRAT party. You won't even have to fight them in the next several elections.

Only 6 seats stand in the way of that happening. This isn't a country of Tom DeLays. The country would hurt the GOP just like in 1998 and 2000.

Pluck pluck pluck. Chicken Feed. So we IGNORE the law to do this. Then how are we ANY different than the democRATS?

[BeAChooser]

Sending Clintoon to East Timor is meaningless.

Not when the man is credibly a RAPIST, TRAITOR and a MURDERER.

Convince me those charges aren't credible and THEN I might buy your argument.

[BeAChooser]

When Bill is out of the country he can't do any damage to the Bush administration. This is a brilliant move for a number of reasons.

I didn't say this. I believe just the opposite.

[tomkat]

has there been an official announcement about any of this yet ?

[Pagey]

"Clinton aides say he was invited by White House national security adviser Condoleezza Rice".

Pardon me for asking,but has the president I helped elect,hit his head on something?When he choked and hit the table a few months back,did that happen to effect his judgement?WHY would #42 be allowed (the mere chance) to do anything more against this country?I'm actually at a loss for words.He'll most certainly be able to spend some of that 'James Riady Money' he has in Indonesian Bank Accounts, and Attend Board Meetings of which he's an Honorary Director while in Indonesia.What is Condi Rice's Thinking.I can't wait to see this announcement on C-Span,he says, w/ a sick to his stomach feeling.

[Southack]

Bush rocks!

He's sending Pampered Bill into a far-away country that doesn't even have Limo service, how will Clinton survive?!

Talk about getting the guy out of the way of the Middle-East negotiations. Sweet!

Plus, the very idea that Clinton either has to take a concubine with him on that trip or do without makes me smile almost as broadly (pun intended) as when I contemplate the liberal reporters who will be stuck tagging along with him on that trip!

Politics has such powerful subtleties, and GWB has mastered them...

[Southack]

"And Carter certainly wasn't the major league CRIMINAL that Clinton IS (by any definition)."

That's some competition for that prize.

Carter's brother Billy was caught red-handed by the CIA accepting a $250,000.00 "payment" from Libya.

Carter gave the greenlight to Ayatolla Khomeni deposing the Shah of Iran.

Carter killed the B-1 bomber.

Carter aided Yasser Arafat.

Carter gave away the Panama Canal.

Carter told the American public that our glory days were over, never to be revisited.

Hostages in Iran? Under Carter (see above)...

[lute]

I believe you've hit the nail on the head. Bush wants to keep Clinton out of the Middle East.

This is not good to say the least!! Nothing good can come from this move.

I'm jumping off the boat.

[caddie]

You are correct, and I am wrong.

X41 so enraged the conservative base by increasing Federal income taxes, and by signing the Americans With Disability Act (forcing every business to put up a $10,000, never-to-be-used, wheelchair ramp, or risk being sued by the government) that, in fact, he was defeated in the Presidential election of 1992.

Bush had vetoed the FMLA in 1990 and threatened to do so again, according to Thomas.loc.gov.

However, as a direct consequence of X41's defeat, Bill Clinton, desperate to demonstrate to the American people that he was pro-family, (now he's X42 BTW), immediately after taking office, signed the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993.

So Bush had NOTHING to do with FMLA being signed.

Except for the fact that he made Clinton's victory easy as pie by antagonizing conservatives as noted above.

Ok.

[NittanyLion]

And Clinton will not be going alone - he is part of a US Delegation!!!!

You find that to be cause for celebration? Are you pleased that an impeached ex-president will be representing the US less than 18 months after he left office?

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

No, I am just saying he won't be alone to commit mischief. He will be watched.

[NittanyLion]

No, I am just saying he won't be alone to commit mischief. He will be watched.

If you feel there's a legitimate concern that Clinton will be creating "mischief" at least, without proper supervision), was it really a wise idea to send him in the first place?

[Freedom'sWorthIt]

"Wise" - probably not. "Brilliant move to deflect charges of "meanness" or of "disrespect" - probably yes.

Again, don't you think it a bit humorous for someone who thinks he deserves to be solving the M.E. Crisis to be shipped off to E. Timor instead?

[NittanyLion]

Again, don't you think it a bit humorous for someone who thinks he deserves to be solving the M.E. Crisis to be shipped off to E. Timor instead?

I'm sure Clinton is steamed at this junior varsity assignment, and in that respect it's humorous. That said, I think it's a tremendous mistake to give this man any legitimacy, and assignments representing the US - no matter how insignificant - do add legitimacy.

[BeAChooser]

I think it's a tremendous mistake to give this man any legitimacy, and assignments representing the US - no matter how insignificant - do add legitimacy.

Plus it suggests that Bush and company don't care about RAPE, TREASON, MURDER and MASS MURDER. And perhaps they don't.

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Ping!