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To: Pokey78
decent, liberal sorts, who had, as students, signed up with me to all the right causes: protesting outside South Africa House, boycotting Barclays and demanding "no platform for racists and fascists". I would have sworn in court that they had not a bone of racism or anti-Semitism in their bodies

Stephen doesn't get it yet. He's starting to see, as many other Jews are now, but has yet to catch the scent of the totalitarian sympathies and inclinations bubbling just below the surface of left-wing politics.

6 posted on 04/30/2002 1:37:45 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
Yup. And "right" and "wrong" can change ever so quickly. Oceania is at war with Eastasia, Oceana has always been at war with Eastasia, dontcha know...
7 posted on 04/30/2002 1:43:59 PM PDT by Snake65
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To: Stultis
An interesting related article from Britain Can Tom Paulin be serious?
8 posted on 04/30/2002 1:45:50 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: Stultis; LarryLied
Stephen doesn't get it yet. He's starting to see, as many other Jews are now, but has yet to catch the scent of the totalitarian sympathies and inclinations bubbling just below the surface of left-wing politics.

Good point. The jew-baiters have shifted in the West to the left. Much to do IMO with the Soviet-created or guided "third worldist" construct which these types still work within, though the Russians have dropped it. The "zionist" and "West" as the enemy - indeed, much of the same language is used, and a motive is upkeep of the leftie identity. Typical of the discourse is the "privileging" of facts that allegedly support the construct, omission of others. For example, the question "why" Arafat increased the bombings lately is never asked. Although a legitimate question, it is not considered because nothing Israel changed could explain it - therefore it is omitted.

A lot has to do with 9/11 too. There were earlier anti-semitic and anti-American scares in Western Europe - I think Rushdie talked about this. It is a reaction to the threat to post-Cold war Leftie worldview and to multiculturalism, very uncomfortable to the "chattering classes." Instead of considering new events, there was retreat into old constructs. The idea of America as a genuine and blameless victim was very disturbing, as is the idea of local civil/ethnic war.

New facts can't be incorporated into a set of beliefs without threatening beliefs about prior events (Nicaragua! blah, blah). But for the leftie "identity" is paramount to perspicuity and understanding, though a prime marker of the identity is their self-complimenting posture that they have "greater" understanding of how the world works. At its core, their international politics are about how they feel, not what is.

Plus, the "victims" are Jews. What else is new? There is a leftie/arab project to delegitimize any jewish state. The panicky acceptance of any Pali propaganda. The "Sharonizing" of anything Israel does. All part of the program. The author is in a tizzy because he's near the revelation that people who protest their their non-racism are inherently racist and prejudiced. Just that Jews are a better target with the "West" they are coming to accept.

Plus Arabs are a much bigger market...

13 posted on 04/30/2002 2:01:11 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Stultis
...but has yet to catch the scent of the totalitarian sympathies and inclinations bubbling just below the surface of left-wing politics.

He and his buddies were brainwashed to believe that everything evil is "right-wing".

In Italy, the best socialist speaker and editor of the party's organ "Avanti!" left the paper and the party for not being radical enough for him. In 1922, he established his own party on the base of trade unions. His name was Benito Mussolini.

Ask Pollard and his opponents, they'll tell you Mussolini was a right-winger in extreme.

Legitimately elected leader of the German people (thank you, Arafat's defenders, for the nice term!) Adolf Hitler led also his National Socialist Labour party. But ask Pollard or, for that matter, Tony Blair, they'll tell you Hitler's regime was the right-wing reaction.

Look at anti-Le Pen demonstrations in France now. There again, in the best leftist traditions, they libel a right-wing politician a fascist. But the silence of the same lefties when the synagogues, Jewish schools and kosher groceries were bombed in their freedom loving country was deafening...

23 posted on 04/30/2002 2:25:50 PM PDT by Neophyte
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To: Stultis; Pokey78
Stephen's starting to see, as many other Jews are now -- but has yet to catch the scent of the totalitarian sympathies and inclinations bubbling just below the surface of left-wing politics.

He doesn't see that there are no "occupied territories," either -- nor '"decent" liberal sorts.'

But, as the abjectly-corrupt, mean-spirited, envy-motivated and hatred-and-rage-engined FRankensteinian EUrinal; under whose ever-tightening grip he lives; spirals Britain and its USSRe [United Soviet Socialist Republics of europe] partners down into the squalid socialist swamp of inevitable failure, increasing despair, bitterness, recrimination -- and Elena and Nicolai Rotten-KKKli'toon-styled kleptocracy, looting, raping and pillaging; he will come to know of the left's inherent fascist-totalitarianism and that his "decent liberal sorts" are Mao's Red Guard; Hitler's Brownshirts, Gestapo and SS -- and are Stalin's KGB.

In waiting.

24 posted on 04/30/2002 2:26:12 PM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: Stultis
Stephen doesn't get it yet.

That just about sums it up.

It appears that this guy has spent a lifetime supporting causes that engender devisiveness and now he is shocked that the chickens have come home to roost. If you pit class against class and group against group, you must be prepared to have people attack your group.

26 posted on 04/30/2002 2:46:28 PM PDT by Rule of Law
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To: Stultis
"totalitarian sympathies and inclinations bubbling just below the surface of left-wing politics.

more like part and parcel of left wing politics.

28 posted on 04/30/2002 2:49:19 PM PDT by Sam Cree
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To: Stultis
Dittoes - reminds me of a one-act play about dogs we did in high school, called "Some Of My Best Friends..."
39 posted on 04/30/2002 3:43:29 PM PDT by onehipdad
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