Posted on 04/27/2002 10:23:54 AM PDT by thatcher
Edited on 09/03/2002 4:50:24 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Islam's finest armies are less than real men.
Iran allowed children to advance against Iraqi minefields. Arafat's demons encourage children to murder. Islam is basically a weak religion, served by weak minded cowards who let their children die while they hide in churches and behind the skirts of European appeasers.
The whirlwind will consume the heathen masses in a pillar of nuclear fire.....the worst case scenario. The final outcome is predestined!!
Does that make millions of American airmen from WW2 onwards something other than "real" men?
Firebombing and nuking of Japanese cities was terror, pure and simple. Hundreds of thousands of German women and children were killed by Allied bombers. I forget the name of the operation, but late in the war there was an American air campaign to strafe farmhouses and small towns just so the Germans in the countryside could get a taste of what we were dealing out to their city cousins.
I'm not putting down our airmen at all! They did what they had to do to win the war. We needed to make the Japanese and German people understand that they had lost, and the only way to do that is to terrorize them into submission. My point is the Palestinians are using the only weapon they have - terror. Their ambition is the make the Israelis realize that they will NEVER be able to live in peace and they might as well pack up and go somewhere else.
Ooops. That's right. I forgot. We weren't bombing Jews. Palestinians are. My mistake.
Firebombing and nuking of Japanese cities was terror, pure and simple. Hundreds of thousands of German women and children were killed by Allied bombers.
[The year 1933, then, marks the beginning of the Nazi period in German history, an era characterized by domestic oppression, anti-Semitism and terror, coupled with the increasingly vociferous demand on the part of Hitler's government for the alteration or removal of the restrictions placed on Germany under the terms of the peace treaty that ended World War One -- the Treaty of Versailles.
For the next six years, the Nazis insistence on the revision of the Treaty of Versailles would result in a steady increase in international tensions that was regarded with increasing alarm in Washington.
Ultimately, all efforts to settle German grievances by peaceful means, such as British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's controversial policy of "appeasement" failed, and on September 1, 1939, the Nazi's initiated World War Two by launching a massive attack on Poland.
It would take another two years, however, before the United States would find itself in a formal state of war with Germany. In the interim, U.S.-German relations grew steadily worse as the Roosevelt Administration offered growing material and naval support to the British war effort and U.S. suspicions about Nazi subversive activities in the Western Hemisphere increased. ] ~ http://www.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/german.html
It wasn’t “terrorism” on the part of the Americans and the Allies it was a fight for survival. If we didn’t win, and we almost didn’t, you and Europe would now be living a Nazi Fascist political system. Although that may be your preference, as your sympathies obviously lie with the Palestinians who have been given billions of dollars with which to develop their own democratic state yet have not achieved any success, by their own assessment, in any area of their culture but in terrorism. Much of those billions have been collected from American taxpayers and have ended up in Arafat's various Swiss bank accounts.
As Neville Chamberlain's "appeasement" failed: [One must understand that agreements made with the Palestinians are worthless and that the world is making a grave mistake in attempting to force Israel into signing a peace agreement with an entity that has no intention of making peace. After Israel offered the Palestinians 98% of the West Bank, 100% of the Gaza Strip, over 50% of Jerusalem and territory inside of Israel proper, the Palestinians responded with a year and a half of terror. What exactly does the world community want Israel to do?
The ship, called the Karine A, is a freighter owned by the Palestinian Authority and was under the command of an officer of the Palestinian Naval Police. The saga began when the PA's main weapons buyer, Adel Moghrabi, and several other senior PA figures began to cultivate relationships with Iranians, through Hezbollah, in order to acquire large amounts of weapons from them. The Palestinian Authority spent nearly $15 million in order to acquire these weapons, while their people live in abject poverty.
The plight of the Palestinians was actually engineered by Arafat, who can simultaneously augment his weapons arsenal while ensuring an endless supply of willing, poor, and uneducated suicide bombers. Despite direct evidence of Arafat's personal corruption (his personal wealth is valued in the billions) and his displacement of funds from civil infrastructure to terrorist infrastructure, Europeans continue to pour hundreds of millions of dollars into the corrupt and deadly regime. They either ignore or are unmoved by daily evidence that Arafat is the prime mover in the terrorist offensive. Europe's support makes them accomplices to the terror.] ~ http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment-horowitz012202.shtml
Yasser Arafat’s rejection of the land-for-peace offer made by Ehud Barak at Camp David in the summer of 2000 demonstrated his complete lack of sincerity in seeking peace.
So far I have seen the terrorist under Arafat’s control do nothing but take and give nothing. They promise peace with their mouths, and turn around and commit horrendous acts of terror.
See: History of the Department of State During the Clinton Presidency (1993-2001)
Released by the Office of the Historian, Bureau of Public Affairs
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ho/pubs/8528.htm
We were in an all-out war with the Germans and Japanese. The Israelis and Palestinians are not in an all-out war with each other. Perhaps fewer people might die in the long run if they were in an all-out war with each other, but since the international community won't let Israel act as though they're engaged in an all-out war, we'll end up with decades of half-war rather than a few months to a couple years of real war.
stop it! you're killing me!!
If the Israelis were waging an all-out war on the Palestinians, they would have just used artilery to level "refugee camps" like Jenin. Such action would have been much safer and cheaper than the course they actually took.
Things like the Geneva Convention are really only applicable when bilaterally embraced. If only one country in a conflict embraces the Geneva Convention, its doing so will put that country at a disadvantage relative to the enemy. The reason the Geneva Convention was largely upheld during WWII was that all countries involved recognized that (1) they would be better off if everyone followed it than if nobody did; (2) while everyone was following it, it put nobody at a disadvantage; (3) if any country decided to throw out the Geneva Convention, its enemies would do likewise, to its detriment.
The situation in Palestine is completely different. Israel is, in many ways, showing remarkable restraint in dealing with the Palestinians given the Palestinians' willful abrogation of the few "rules of war". If the Israelis were in an all-out war, the Palestinians would not be in the situation they are now.
Am I correct that you believe: A) It isn't "terror" if your cause is just? and B)Palestinians = Nazis?
Well, if it ain't terror if your cause is just, then how can you criticize the Palestinians? Unless, of course, the suicide bombers are all cynical criminals willing to die for Yassar's Swiss bank accounts. And if Palestinians are Nazi's then what does that make the Israelis, with their Master Race beliefs and militaristic culture?
Terror always has been and always will be a legitimate tool of warfare. You can't defeat an enemy until it understands it has been defeated, and the best - maybe only - way to do that is to terrorize it into submission. Young men are expendable in every culture. Battlefield deaths do not drive home the reality of defeat. Killing women, children and the old men (Alpha Males) does. The Palestinians are simply doing what they think they have to do to drive the Israelis completely out of the Middle East. And, I think they're going to succeed eventually. There is no "wishful thinking" on my part - just a cold, hard analysis of the facts. I have no dog in this fight.
If you believe that anyone has the right to take any innocent’s life in order to make a politically statement, then you are indeed supporting the side who shares your point of view.
I don’t know where you were on September 11, 2001, but here in south western Connecticut, I lost two personal friends when the world trade center was attacked and destroyed and had family which just barely escaped by making it out in time by crossing the Brooklyn Bridge out of Manhattan.
Israel is an American ally in the war against terrorist, and for democracy.
Homocidal Terrorist who continually lie about what their true intentions and reasons for war are, Homocidal Terrorist who are fighting for a culture, which teaches its members to sacrifice its children for the status quo, their very ability to live by such alien cultural values, only serves to be yet another proof that their argument that America has somehow encroached or bullied them is a complete fabrication of their insane propaganda; if you desire to play games with understanding Homocidal Terrorist, and the culture which created them and supports them, ‘humanity’ and try to convince others that it is somehow acceptable to to strike out and kill thousands of innocent people who are just going about their daily business of providing for their families then you are in agreement with those who believe that might makes right. If you live your life by those terms, then why are you surprised or even offended when someone who is bigger and smarter forces your friends back into their wormhole with the same means which you have just declared acceptable? Are you just a poor loser?
As I wrote before, the world has bent over backwards to accommodate and ‘enable’ the Palestinians. The ‘Palestinian Authority’ have met each attempt to work together for a peaceful cohabitation, of the Middle East, with yet another declaration by homicidal action to the west, and by virulent anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism in their Arabic press. The Homocidal Terrorist have stated in every way possible that they will not stop until all non-Homocidal Terrorist are wiped from the face of the earth. If you wish to deal with that in touchy feely terms feel free to do so. Although, when they forcibly convert you, and have killed anyone with enough backbone to standup against them for what is right, don’t come crying to me about how your humanity is being abused. Thankfully, for the moment, we still live in a relatively free country, here in America, and even though I believe you are wrong, I will try to convince you with the facts, and by explaining what I think is the correct action to take based on them. And I am willing to do what ever steps it takes to keep this country free for everyone who can accept those standards for everyone else so that we can all live in peace, love and grooviness; able to explore any new idea which we may wish to, peacfully and with intelligence; but by taking the Homocidal Terrorist’s side you are supporting the right to just kill people who do not agree with me.
If you believe that anyone has the right to take any innocent’s life in order to make a politically statement, then you are indeed supporting the side who shares your point of view.
I don’t know where you were on September 11, 2001, but here in south western Connecticut, I lost two personal friends when the world trade center was attacked and destroyed and had family which just barely escaped by making it out in time by crossing the Brooklyn Bridge out of Manhattan.
Israel is an American ally in the war against terrorist, and for democracy.
Homocidal Terrorist who continually lie about what their true intentions and reasons for war are, Homocidal Terrorist who are fighting for a culture, which teaches its members to sacrifice its children for the status quo, their very ability to live by such alien cultural values, only serves to be yet another proof that their argument that America has somehow encroached or bullied them is a complete fabrication of their insane propaganda; if you desire to play games with understanding Homocidal Terrorist, and the culture which created them and supports them, ‘humanity’ and try to convince others that it is somehow acceptable to to strike out and kill thousands of innocent people who are just going about their daily business of providing for their families then you are in agreement with those who believe that might makes right. If you live your life by those terms, then why are you surprised or even offended when someone who is bigger and smarter forces your friends back into their wormhole with the same means which you have just declared acceptable? Are you just a poor loser?
As I wrote before, the world has bent over backwards to accommodate and ‘enable’ the Palestinians. The ‘Palestinian Authority’ have met each attempt to work together for a peaceful cohabitation, of the Middle East, with yet another declaration by homicidal action to the west, and by virulent anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism in their Arabic press. The Homocidal Terrorist have stated in every way possible that they will not stop until all non-Homocidal Terrorist are wiped from the face of the earth. If you wish to deal with that in touchy feely terms feel free to do so. Although, when they forcibly convert you, and have killed anyone with enough backbone to standup against them for what is right, don’t come crying to me about how your humanity is being abused.
Thankfully, for the moment, we still live in a relatively free country, here in America, and even though I believe you are wrong, I will try to convince you with the facts, and by explaining what I think is the correct action to take based on them. And I am willing to do what ever steps it takes to keep this country free for everyone who can accept those standards for everyone else so that we can all live in peace, love and grooviness; able to explore any new idea which we may wish to, peacfully and with intelligence; but by taking the Homocidal Terrorist’s side you are supporting the right to just kill people who do not agree with me.
In a way yes, but in another way, no. Some intended aerial bombing to strike at the enemies will to fight, a theory particularly popular with the RAF, but for the most part American strategists were trying to strike at industrial capacity. Even the firebombing of Toyko and Dresden were intended to stop production. In the case of the Japenese, their industry was quite well dispersed and the only way to get at it was an area attack. In both theaters the strategic bombing was less than successful in achieving its goal of reducing production, but it did slow production over what would otherwise have been achieved, and it did tie down lots of troops and resources (flak guns and their crews for example) that otherwise would have been thrown into the ground battle.
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