Posted on 04/24/2002 10:48:34 AM PDT by america-rules
for every minority we win over we lose ten to the Democrats because of the expressions of bigotry that we allow in our midst.
If this were the case most minorities would simply be independent, since there is easily as much or more bigotry in the Hypocratic Party. Of course I'm generalizing here, but the minority blocs (Cubans excepted) tend to default to the Dems, and the GOP must try to pry them from their cold, dead hands. :-) Any unchecked expressions of bigotry only make that job more difficult.
If this were the case most minorities would simply be independent, since there is easily as much or more bigotry in the Hypocratic Party. I am a Jew, and in this context may serve as guinni pig: you do not here this from Dems. I am upset that I have to give them credit for that, but this is true.
And how can you argue that point: if anything, the Dems are on the forefront of multi-culturalism, telling us that everyone is equal.
Secondly, regarding "most minorities would simply be independent." You ignore one of the most basic needs (of the five identified by psychologists, going back to Maslow): the need to belong. We all are social creatures --- why would you expect a Jew, Hispanic, or Black to be different? Furthermore, we all care about our country and would like to serve it the best we can. For this reason, we join parties and movements. Again, why would you expect minorities to be inert istead -- they too care about the country?
People who care join the movement that fits them most althought never completely. For the minorities, it is the Dems, unfortunately, When we expell the bigots, you will see the balance shift significantly.
P.S. If you need a futher illustration of what I said, follow the Le Pen threads. Observe how many here on this forum celebrate Le Pen. Ah, they say, "I like his immigration policies," but they do not care that he is openly anti-Semitic. Well, the Germans elected Hitler for the same reasons: his policies were initially good for Germany.
That is your crowd that stand around and disregards a bigot. "Vive Le Pen" --- that is what you see on the threads.
Listen carefully --- you may hear the door shut my a Hispanic, Jew or Black on his way out. And that is a shame.
Oh, PUH-LEASSSSE!! Yeah, Dems say all sorts of good things. They speak wonderfully, as they discriminate openly against white people, males, etc. They just call it Affirmative Action, or some other fancy label. And Dems are quite concerned that everything appears just right. One token black here, a token Jew there, a few women scattered throughout... It doesn't matter at all if anyone is qualified. Just make sure our group "looks like America." Take a look at the Democrat senators sometime. You do see some women, but you'll view a sea of white faces. And you'll see a former member of the KKK.
Have you ever read "Animal Farm?" The Dems remind me of that.
All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. Or words to that effect.
When we expell the bigots, you will see the balance shift significantly.
Expel? Unless people start speaking the way you want them to? How politically correct. I respect the opinions of others, and I expect them to respect mine. I have no time for the "freedom of speech, as long as it's the right speech" crowd.
Again, why would you expect minorities to be inert istead -- they too care about the country?
Of course they care, probably much more than the spoiled wonders that grew up not knowing how good they have it here. I do not expect minorities to be inert. But based on your premise that they reject the GOP and join the Dems because of conservative bigots, then they should also reject the Dems because of liberal bigots. Don't offer up a scenario if it's not consistent.
That is your crowd that stand around and disregards a bigot. "Vive Le Pen" --- that is what you see on the threads.
Excuse me? My crowd? I haven't read word one about Le Pen. But you were awfully quick to label me, weren't you?
Expel? Unless people start speaking the way you want them to? How politically correct. I respect the opinions of others, and I expect them to respect mine. Well, you just validated my point. When you stop respecting the opinions of bigots and racists, you will see huge numbers of minorities joining in.
I have no time for the "freedom of speech, as long as it's the right speech" crowd. Don't tell me that you have no time: the Republicans and conservatives in general waste a great deal of time trying to get elected without the help of minorities.
But based on your premise that they reject the GOP and join the Dems because of conservative bigots, then they should also reject the Dems because of liberal bigots. As I said, it is not the mere presence of the bigots but their actions: there is no racist rhetoric among Dems; when we eliminate ours, we'll be better off.
TQ: That is your crowd that stand around and disregards a bigot. "Vive Le Pen" --- that is what you see on the threads.
Coop: Excuse me? My crowd? I haven't read word one about Le Pen. But you were awfully quick to label me, weren't you?
Just a typo: "your" should have been "our." I meant no offense, sorry.
There is no such thing as conservative: one should diffentiate the economic, social, cultural.
You want to associate with those who who have certain views on the government and econ and who cares what they think about race and religion. For me it is not enough.
This is not about the government: this is about YOUR club to which you belong. You do not mind sitting at the table with the racist --- fine. Just do not blame the minorities for not sitting at the same table.
I am sorry, but I have not missed your point. I addressed it immediately. I'm tired of running this issue into the ground.
Pull your head out of the sand!
I never said that closing the border with Mexico is a bad thing (I personally am for closing all borders). In fact, I never argued the opinion itself: before an opinion is fourmed, a criterion is applied, and I argued that that criterion was not what the person stated.
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