Jenin: the bloody truth

http://www.sunday-times.co.uk/article/0,,178-273694,00.html ^ | April 21, 2002 | Marie Colvin

[TomB]

Geez, 2 posts and not a fact or refutation in them.

Par for the course JT, but at least nobody can say you aren't consistent.

So where does that leave us? Oh yes:

-allegations by you of a massacre at Jenin, yet noone can find the victims.

-allegations of destruction of the "refugee camp" in Jenin, yet aerial photos show few buildings destroyed, and of those, even the Palestinians admit they were booby-trapped.

-allegations that I am a Nazi, yet I'm not the one calling for the extermination of the State of Israel.

The truth will eventually come out

No Jethro, its already out, and you are on the short end of it.

[spqrzilla9]

A quote from the article: Terje Roed-Larsen, the United Nations envoy to the Middle East, cut through the propaganda by stating the obvious: "No military operation can justify this scale of destruction. Whatever the purpose was, the effect is collective punishment of a whole society."

He and his family received telephone death threats from Israeli callers for his pains.

This is an example of the propaganda of this article. Such a statement is not "obvious", its a conclusion. A conclusion that Larsen made without any facts at all. A conclusion that makes his bias, and the author's, obvious.

[spqrzilla9]

The truth will eventually come out and anti-Semitism will skyrocket (unfortunately) because of flacks like you and "section8".

The first is unlikely to be true. The Palestinian lies will be echoed for years to come regardless of the facts. That's the history.

The latter is certain because of a combination of anti-semites coming out from their rocks and the fact that the lies of Palestinians get repeated by fellow travelers.

[spqrzilla9]

The truth will eventually come out and anti-Semitism will skyrocket (unfortunately) because of flacks like you and "section8".

The first is unlikely to be true. The Palestinian lies will be echoed for years to come regardless of the facts. That's the history.

The latter is certain because of a combination of anti-semites coming out from their rocks and the fact that the lies of Palestinians get repeated by fellow travelers.

[spqrzilla9]

You call me a "fellow traveler",yet you haven't a clue who I am or what I stand for.

I didn't call you anything. Do read posts before replying.

I'm neither a fellow a "fellow traveler" nor a Palestinian flack.

See above.

I have no dog in this fight.

We'll just have to contrast that claim to your actual statements, won't we?

However, IMHO, Jenin represents an over reaction by the IDF toward the civilian the polulation.

An opinion based on no facts. My favorite kind of "sympathy".

For this I'm called a nazi...

Really? I don't recall using the word recently. Interestingly enough, I see above that you have. Guilty conscience?

[section9]

If your a good boy,,,I promise to take a call from you or cartoon-boy.

I wouldn't waste my precious time getting into telephone fisticuffs with you on your excursion into vanity radio. You have shown an extraordianry inability to engage in rational debate. Your use of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo against TomB as proof of the falsity of his thesis was laughable, in that said treaty was imposed by the sword by the armies of General Winfield Scott.

Tom raises a rather valuable point. As a tinfoiler, you have rightfully been suspicious of the United Nations in the past. Now, you change your tune. Hmmm, why now? Why do you trust the United Nations all of a sudden? Could it be that they're going to be about the business of sandbagging the Israelis? Perish the thought!

Finally, your response to my rather long deconstruction of your post and your "cut and paste" action leaves something to be desired. A lot, actually.

Look, debating you is a bit like taking candy from the baby, so give it up. You can't win, you know. You're on the wrong side of the issue. You're giving an apologia for terrorist gangsters, not a reasoned defense of Palestinian nationalism. Your deafening silence during the PA's terror campaign, when set against the volume of your posts during the Israeli invasion, is an indictment in and of itself.

Your responses, separated from your copies of articles from AFP, The Independent, and The Guardian, can best be summarized in a passage from Shakespeare: "...sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Or, to put it another way: Jethro Tull, you are no Maureen Dowd.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[TomB]

How can victims be found if Israel has obsructed any outside investigation?

ANY? How about all the reporters nosing around? And can't the people living there show us the dead bodies?

No, the Israelis have objected to the makeup of the UN team. But that hasn't stopped all the others into Jenin to write their "there is no evidence of a massacre" stories.

Define few? Also, I for one don't think a building must be razed to contain casualities. Furthermore, without Israel allowing independent investigation, the truth about Jenin might never be known.

Looks like about 15-20, maybe more, to me. And considering we've seen you revel in the Eurotrash press reports of the leveling of the refugee camp in Jenin, the pictures show a very different story.

Nor am I, but you remain a neocon nazi who delights in the spilling of Palestinian blood. Please remember it was you who enjoyed the tastless joke by section8 regarding me and the Stormfront. Until you take that back you will always be TomB the Nazi to me....

Cry me a river. Before it was that I claimed you read "Stormfront", and now I'm "enjoying" a tastless joke at your expense. (A little secret, pretty much anybody reading your posts is "enjoying" a tasteless joke).

Call me up on the air, gutless wonder, I'd enjoy tearing you a new one publically ...

Tearing me a new one? How, by continually changing the subject? If you haven't done it by now (i'm still awaiting your reply to post 211), you never will.

Well, at least on the radio you could ignore the pictures a little easier.

[TomB]

Be Seeing You,

Apparently not.

BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!!!

[Jethro Tull]

#231:

And your point?