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UN: Effort To Create International Court Reaches Milestone Amid U.S. Opposition
Radio Free Europe - Radio Liberty ^ | Apr. 12, 2002 | By Robert McMahon

Posted on 04/12/2002 1:29:04 PM PDT by madfly

The first permanent court set up to deal with the world's worst crimes will come into force in July. Supporters say the rapid creation of the court marks a landmark in international human rights law, signaling an end to impunity for those commit genocide, war crimes, or crimes against humanity. But U.S. opposition remains strong and could pose serious challenges to the scope of the new court.

United Nations, 12 April 2002 (RFE/RL) -- The International Criminal Court will take force on 1 July and is on track to begin functioning early in 2003, much sooner than even its biggest supporters expected.

A ratification ceremony of 10 countries on 11 April marked the crossing of the 60-state threshold needed for the creation of the court, known as the ICC. UN diplomats and non-governmental organization activists now believe that by next year 100 countries will have ratified the Rome Treaty, which created the court.

Its jurisdiction will include genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes. The crime of aggression will also eventually come under the jurisdiction of the treaty, but there is still ongoing discussion about how to define aggression. The treaty does not cover terrorism, which the UN General Assembly is still struggling to define.

UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan spoke yesterday in Rome. He outlined the court's purpose: "Those who commit crimes, war crimes, genocide, or other crimes against humanity will no longer be beyond the reach of justice. Humanity will be able to defend itself, responding to the worst of human nature with one of the greatest achievements -- the rule of law."

Such swift ratification of a treaty, signed just four years ago, is rare. Officials involved with the treaty say it indicates a new global commitment to international justice.

Bosnia was one of the 10 countries depositing its instruments of ratification yesterday and has special reasons for wanting to see the ICC succeed, said its UN ambassador, Mirza Kuzljugic: "Our citizens have been the victims of the kind of crimes that will be prosecuted before the ICC and we have seen difficulties in prosecuting the perpetrators before an ad hoc tribunal like the ICTY, so driven by these experiences, Bosnia and Herzegovina has made a special commitment to the establishment of this court."

The new court will have jurisdiction over crimes committed after 1 July 2002. War crimes related to Bosnia's civil war in the 1990s will continue to be prosecuted by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, or ICTY -- a temporary court created by the UN Security Council.

The ICTY has faced criticism by Bosnia's main ethnic groups for bias or flaws in prosecuting suspected war criminals. But Kuzljugic told RFE/RL that the tribunal remains an important tool of justice and reconciliation for Bosnians. And he said the permanent court will help complement other ongoing efforts to improve human rights.

"Only the work of ICTY, or in the future, the work of the ICC, will not be sufficient. We have to work on many other areas, to look at these institutions as complementary institutions to human rights mechanisms of local, national and international bodies," Kuzljugic said.

Many of the world's leading democracies have ratified the Rome statute, with the notable exception of the United States. U.S. officials have said the widespread deployment of U.S. armed forces around the world could expose them to politically motivated cases brought before the ICC.

The United States has sought immunity for its military staff from prosecution and is now considering the unusual step of revoking the treaty signature of former President Bill Clinton.

David Scheffer was Clinton's ambassador-at-large for war crimes and worked closely on drafting the treaty establishing the court. Scheffer, still a strong supporter of the court, told RFE/RL that he believes there are enough safeguards built into the treaty to protect U.S. interests.

"The United States would have to commit an extreme act of incompetence to actually subject an American citizen to the jurisdiction of this court. You'd have to work through many acts of incompetence by the United States for that to happen, and I think that's because we negotiated very hard to get those safeguards in there," Scheffer said.

The ICC will claim jurisdiction only when national courts of ratifying states are unable or unwilling to investigate or prosecute serious crimes.

The Rome statute does not require non-ratifying states to turn over suspects to the court. The court could still prosecute Americans in the event that a U.S. citizen suspected of a serious crime is in the territory of a state that has ratified the treaty.

Ruth Wedgwood is an international law expert and a critic of the new court. She recently advised U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld on legal issues related to the war on terrorism and said the U.S. is uniquely vulnerable because of the extent of its overseas troop deployments --- about 220,000 men and women.

Wedgwood told RFE/RL that there are also unspecified areas of the Rome statute -- such as the legitimacy of bombing targets in a military campaign -- that could bring crews of U.S. warplanes, for example, under unjustified prosecution.

Wedgwood said a U.S. military person could conceivably become enmeshed in a moral dispute between the United States and some of its European allies over an issue such as proportional use of force.

"We have to do all kinds of military tasks that European countries and others don't deign to do, which means that they often will not be sympathetic with those tasks, have no experience with those tasks. And the law of armed conflict, which is the law that the court will be applying, is really often far more indeterminate than people suppose," Wedgwood said.

Supporters of the ICC say its very existence could help rein in the abuses of some government leaders and avert future crimes. But Wedgwood is doubtful the court can deter those determined to commit serious crimes.

"The Yugoslav tribunal existed and was up and running in the middle of the Srebrenica massacre in 1995, in the summertime, so is there actual deterrent effect of the threat of being turned over? Probably not," Wedgwood said.

The United States has recently been the most vocal opponent of the court, but two other permanent Security Council members -- Russia and China -- have also not ratified. Russia, like the United States, has signed the treaty. China has not, and few Asian states are among the 66 to ratify so far.

The court's 18 judges, as well as its prosecutor and registrar, are to be elected at the first assembly of states parties, which is to be held in The Hague in September.



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To: madfly
...now considering the unusual step of revoking the treaty signature of former President Bill Clinton...

The POTUS can't "unsign" a Congressional bill that he has signed into law and he can't "unsign" a treaty. What's done is done. Clinton has let loose Frankenstein's monster on the world.

21 posted on 04/12/2002 6:22:07 PM PDT by jadimov
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To: madfly
But U.S. opposition remains strong and could pose serious challenges to the scope of the new court.

I saw in the newspaper where this administration, and particularly George W Bush, rescinded Clinton's signing of this travesty. A big plus for Dubya.

A ratification ceremony of 10 countries on 11 April marked the crossing of the 60-state threshold needed for the creation of the court, known as the ICC. UN diplomats and non-governmental organization activists now believe that by next year 100 countries will have ratified the Rome Treaty, which created the court.

Its jurisdiction will include genocide, crimes against humanity, and war crimes. The crime of aggression will also eventually come under the jurisdiction of the treaty, but there is still ongoing discussion about how to define aggression. The treaty does not cover terrorism, which the UN General Assembly is still struggling to define.

To some it might sound nice on papre and in theory, a grand world body where all nations come together to get all the bad guys in the world (Zarathustra builds to a crescendo in the background)..........but in reality, it's probably more like Hutus or Tutsis deciding who is the good guys and the bad guys on any given day. Depending on who is holding the reins of justice on that day..........maybe it will rain tomorrow, I don't know.

The crime of aggression will also eventually come under the jurisdiction of the treaty, but there is still ongoing discussion about how to define aggression.

Some will tell you that refusing to sell Japan scrap metal prior to the outbreak of WW2 would constitute 'aggression'. Seriously.

The treaty does not cover terrorism, which the UN General Assembly is still struggling to define.

In a word, disturbing. Very.

Many of the world's leading democracies have ratified the Rome statute, with the notable exception of the United States. U.S. officials have said the widespread deployment of U.S. armed forces around the world could expose them to politically motivated cases brought before the ICC.

Resentful, Third World socialist failures bringing their 'grievances' to bear against the United States in the form of some 'global' court............you think?

The United States has sought immunity for its military staff from prosecution and is now considering the unusual step of revoking the treaty signature of former President Bill Clinton.

Do it. Now. Immediately.

"The United States would have to commit an extreme act of incompetence to actually subject an American citizen to the jurisdiction of this court. You'd have to work through many acts of incompetence by the United States for that to happen, and I think that's because we negotiated very hard to get those safeguards in there," Scheffer said.

Thank you Clinton hack. Many of us see the Constitution as our safeguard, but of course you, like most if not all of Clinton's former flacks see the Constitution as a piece of 200 year old toilet paper.

This is a terrible idea........for Americans anyway.

22 posted on 04/12/2002 10:16:55 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: madfly; all
"Those who commit crimes, war crimes, genocide, or other crimes against humanity will no longer be beyond the reach of justice. Humanity will be able to defend itself, responding to the worst of human nature with one of the greatest achievements -- the rule of law."
And the definition of "crimes" and "other crimes"?
http://www.un.org/law/icc/statute/elements/english/1_add2e.pdf
For the Adobe impaired...Adobe PDF Conversion

To all,
Article 6: Genocide...check
Article 7: Crimes against humanity...check
Article 8: War crimes...check
Hmmmm...where is the list of "crimes"? Or is Kofi doing something similar to what is in the Constitution?
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises...
The "crimes" are genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity, just like the "taxes" are duties, imposts and excises.
Maybe I'm just stupid. Any help greatly appreciated.
Think about it...

23 posted on 04/13/2002 3:40:24 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: madfly; all
For "The Full Monty"...ROME STATUTE OF THE INTERNATIONAL CRIMINAL COURT
24 posted on 04/13/2002 3:48:14 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: madfly; all
Try that again
25 posted on 04/13/2002 3:51:41 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Well said, our Constitution was designed to protect us from enemies, foreign and abroad. It no longer does either.
26 posted on 04/13/2002 4:30:06 AM PDT by steve50
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To: steve50
bump
27 posted on 04/14/2002 12:06:35 PM PDT by madfly
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To: steve50
make that foreign and domestic
28 posted on 04/14/2002 12:10:41 PM PDT by steve50
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To: ffrancone
But the moment an American leaves the country, they will be subject to the pc whims of foreign tribunals.

There is a solution to this problem. If Bush is truly a patriot who wishes to never have this problem occur, he can subtly encourage dissent in the US military on a particular issue.

If enough of our officers were to simultaneously step forward and say that they will command each soldier to protect his or her fellow soldiers from foreign arrest with extreme prejudice, even if some some slimy, treasonous president were to say otherwise, then it would be out of Bush's hands. Better yet, it would be out of the hands of every president in the future. Our soldiers could never be taken by a foreign power without fear of a fight, no matter how treasonous our elected officials feel at the time.

Bush could get the message out by having all his generals and officers hear a particular kind of speech.

"Brave soldiers, I honor you more than words can say. And I am sickened by the way our hands are tied diplomatically by the UN. Yes, I realise that people could make a darn good argument that the ICC has no ability to indict our soldiers. But most of my legal advisors tell me otherwise. To be honest, no one has been able to completely convince me that the ICC can have such authority under the Constitution, but well, you know how the legal community is. The Constitution is some living, breathing, evolving organism to them. Nevertheless, I might ultimately have to give in to tragic mistakes of previous administrations. My hands might well be tied.

"Deep down I hope that you can find courage in the face of this. I realise that you might get your heads together, hear what I'm saying, and try to help me out by denouncing subjegation orders to the ICC as unlawful due to being unconstitutional and make a pact to obey all lawful orders that do not include standing bye passively, watching your fellow soldiers be arrested by foreign powers that love to sock it to the US. Such a daring and patriotic act would of course be something I could tell the UN about, that it would make the UN a danger to our nation's security, leading to civil war, so I would respectfully hand the UN tickets to go to the wonderously humanitarian nation of Sudan. Such a dark fantasy I dare not have, for I must remain Commander in Chief.

"No, I would not blame you. I might not even punish you, to be honest. Might forgive and forget. Thank you for listening."

29 posted on 07/17/2002 3:13:45 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March
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