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1 posted on 04/09/2002 7:11:23 PM PDT by Pokey78
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The Guardian--the Pravda of England

We didn't defeat communism in the cold war, we just relocated it to Europe

2 posted on 04/09/2002 7:17:08 PM PDT by liberalism=failure
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ROFLMAO!!! This is the kind of advice one can expect from an ex Arab hand at the British Foreign Office! David Clark thinks Israel's 91% --- later revised to 96% offer, wasn't generous enough for the Palestinians. The truth which he fails to alert readers to, is the Palestinians NEVER even made a COUNTER-OFFER. They just rejected Israel's proposal and proceeded to launch a war. And now he thinks they should be rewarded for something they balked at all along? Its no wonder Israel doesn't take anything the Eurotrash say seriously. This deluded article's proof of it.
3 posted on 04/09/2002 7:18:40 PM PDT by goldstategop
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As to a comment on the, ahem, "content" its just so typical of liberals to tell us we had better do it their way to avoid horrible calamities, even though their way has been a miserable failure all along.

The "peace process" has failed. It's time to GIVE WAR A CHANCE!

Liberalism=failure

4 posted on 04/09/2002 7:21:04 PM PDT by liberalism=failure
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Just think of how much better off the world would be if we would just put these left-wingnuts in charge of everything.
5 posted on 04/09/2002 7:21:26 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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It is here that the Saudi peace initiative has come to play such a critical role in getting the peace process

Doesn't matter how many times it is said and in the many multicolored ways it is said this "plan" is just a lot of horse manure.

6 posted on 04/09/2002 7:21:57 PM PDT by Lent
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Maybe the British and French should give Czechoslovakia to Germany as a first step to show how it's done.
7 posted on 04/09/2002 7:22:56 PM PDT by Chi-townChief
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With the end of his presidency in sight, Clinton saw time running out along with the hope that he might be remembered in history for something more dignified than blow jobs in the Oval Office. He needed a quick deal rather than a just deal and chose to attempt to bounce Arafat into accepting Israel's terms.

There is a kernel of truth in this statement, though. Clinton's approach to the "peace process" was pretty darned idiotic and it continues to be. Heck, just last week he tried to say that the Marc Rich pardon was part of the "peace process."
8 posted on 04/09/2002 7:26:36 PM PDT by irishjuggler
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FINAL JANUARY 2001 PROPOSAL

 

 

 



9 posted on 04/09/2002 7:30:22 PM PDT by dennisw
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David Clark was a special adviser at the Foreign Office until May 2001

On whose dole is he now?

10 posted on 04/09/2002 7:43:32 PM PDT by Shermy
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The Israelis are operating under NO ILLUSIONS, they have a free and fair media, and what this creep is saying in the Guardian has been said over and over and over and over ad nauseum in the left-wing Israeli press.

Arafat will have to accept a smaller offer than he wants--a smaller offer than constitutes a just peace--because the Israelis need security guarantees. If the Palestinians can manage their state peacefully, and crackdown on terror, and ask politely for more land, they can have it. If they prove they can live peacefully with Israel, they should even be granted some sort of control over East Jerusalem. But these anti-Israel idiots want Israel to give the Palestinians EVERYTHING, RIGHT NOW. If Israel gave the Palestinians what they wanted, they would just use the international border for smuggling and the proximity to Jerusalem to carry out terror attacks there.

12 posted on 04/09/2002 7:55:34 PM PDT by xm177e2
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"David Clark was a special adviser at the Foreign Office until May 2001."

While in the Foreign Office, he was a "cheese-eating surrender monkey" like his greatly admired predecessor--Neville Chamberlain.

16 posted on 04/09/2002 8:04:18 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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I Disagree with the statement "Armed force cannot provide his people with the security they crave because the terrorist infrastructure he has set out to destroy consists of little more than the willingness of ordinary Palestinians to kill themselves while taking as many Israelis with them as possible."

Israel has its guys our in the open when it could easily fight the battle from armor and the air- but this would incur the kind of civilian causality rates that we usually incur or the nations we battle.

The Israelis are not willing to harm so many innocents.

What Israel did in the one week 1967 war would have taken several months as we would have to position a much larger force- Israel could take all the Middle east if it had to.

18 posted on 04/09/2002 8:09:20 PM PDT by Kay Soze
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That 'prime agricultural land' was barren, forsaken desert until the Israelis moved there, planted trees and made it fertile.
19 posted on 04/09/2002 8:10:56 PM PDT by thoughtomator
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permitting the Palestinians control of a few scattered fragments of what had been theirs before 1967.

What a freakin' moron! Before 1967 it was occupied by Jordan.

22 posted on 04/09/2002 8:43:51 PM PDT by Alouette
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"His task is clear: to secure a ceasefire and persuade both parties to return to the negotiating table."

To negotiate what exactly? Arafat can NOT make a deal. First of all, his goal is the destruction of Israel, not a Palestinian State. Second, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and probably his own Fatah organization would kill him, like the killed Sadat. Their goal is the destruction of Israel. Most Palestinians are delusional enough, that they think this can happen, so they support all of the terrorist groups, including head terrorist Arafat in the current battle. There is no substitute for victory.

Israel would wipe out all the Arab armies, if they attacked. The Arab leaders know that, which is why they won't attack. No wider conflagration is threatened.

23 posted on 04/09/2002 8:50:46 PM PDT by Kermit
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Truth Crushed To Earth Shall Rise Again

Myth of Israel’s ‘generous offer’ damages truth, peace
Deadly myths blind us in peace process
26 posted on 04/10/2002 9:50:47 AM PDT by luvzhottea
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