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Van Dam Trial Transcripts, Complete: Testimony continues to vary from previous statements.
San Diego Superior Court/Union Trib ^ | April 9, 2002 | San Diego Superior Court-Kristen Green

Posted on 04/09/2002 11:30:44 AM PDT by FresnoDA

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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"How much credibility should we give all the news reports?"

The news reports themselves? Not much. But please consider: the video clip (you did click on the link to hear for yourself, didn't you?) had the officer speaking the words for himself. I like videoclips for that reason: no reporter can gum up the works. Then we have the trial transcripts. Read 'em and weep. And finally we have the motion documents. So only one of my sources was actually the kind of news report that can be tainted by sloppy reporting.

On the other hand, you have touted the news reports like they're gospel on more than one occasion, most especially the often-discredited 67,000 porn images figure. You're also fond of quoting John Walsh, yet another police procedural genius who can't seem to get his facts straight.

321 posted on 04/10/2002 1:18:16 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Politicalmom
Great post Politicalmom!
322 posted on 04/10/2002 1:21:04 PM PDT by Lauratealeaf
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"If the vd's were lying during the ph, why didn't feldman exploit it?"

He did in some instances, and has most likely stored the rest to use at the trial. Remember, this was not a trial. It was a hearing. Go check out your texts from your years studying criminal justice, or else there are law libraries on the net that explain the differences--I think Amore might have written a post a long time ago on the subject also. Nevertheless, Feldman was not give much latitude: the sole purpose was to find whether or not there was enough evidence to bind Westerfield over for trial. The judge thought there was, but would not permit Feldman to do or say much. Read the very end of the transcripts, and you'll see how the hearing ended, and how the judge said he would not allow this hearing to be turned into a mini-trial.

323 posted on 04/10/2002 1:22:46 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: vacrn
Goodbye folks, this is too much for me. When you all are finished deciding who can post the largest font, please give me a ping.

Sorry Vacrn...I got lost in fres's world for a minute.

324 posted on 04/10/2002 1:29:05 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: vacrn
Don't worry, if any alarm lights go off, I won't check on my kids, because society will recognize that my new lifestyle is socially acceptable and keeps me pretty busy. Oh yeah, if one of my children goes missing, I know you'll be there for me and understand that my lifestyle didn't open any doors to sexual deviants and tragedy. Ciao

Don't forget to put the top up on your new BMW! Mustn't mess up your hair on the way to the publicist. Be sure to pick up some more of that miracle pizza on your way. Remind Damon to stop kicking that dog! /sarcasm

Don't stay gone long vacrn. Your posts are great!

325 posted on 04/10/2002 1:29:16 PM PDT by Lauratealeaf
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To: spectre
"...you have a bleeding heart mentality because their daughter was allegedly abducted and found dead."

Ah, but being a victim means not having to take any responsibility--past, present or future! It means not having to tell the truth! Haven't you learned a thing from Kim? LOL, smileyface, and kumbyah!

326 posted on 04/10/2002 1:29:19 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: OPS4
"Lets look at the lifestyles and the people who the parents partied with. Lets look at people with less than normal values affecting the Children. God help the Children. OPS4"

OPS4, you are a breath of fresh air here! Thank you for stating what should be obvious to so many--yet it does seem to elude them, doesn't it? God help the Children!

327 posted on 04/10/2002 1:32:38 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: Lauratealeaf, vacrn
Don't stay gone long vacrn. Your posts are great!

Ditto!

328 posted on 04/10/2002 1:33:37 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: MizSterious
Hi Miz S... Some of your points are accurate. The assumptions about "me", aren't.. ~(:-D)
329 posted on 04/10/2002 1:35:34 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"Contributory negligence"--as Travis McGee has often stated, if you have a picnic on the side of the road, doze off for a moment, and your 2 year old wanders into traffic and is hurt or dies, the parents are guilty of contributory negligence. They didn't watch the tot.

A more local case involved a mother leaving the kids alone while going to the grocery store. The house burned in her absence, taking the lives of two of her kids.

None of the people in these examples intended to harm their children, but they also did not take proper care of them. The mother in the local case got slapped with a c.n. charge as she left the funeral. She was a victim, but also contributed to the death of her kids.

Quick quiz: name the mother who left her daughter alone while looking for the other kids in the mall? Name the mother who left all her kids alone while getting pizza.

330 posted on 04/10/2002 1:40:11 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: mommya
"...she was involved with Danielle's scout troop and was "cookie mom" and she volunteered at the kids' school -"

And this isn't a flame either, but I couldn't help thinking that the last cookie sales outing seemed more like a pick-up opportunity. On the other hand, I often thing she looks so dead in the eyes because of her relationship with her pimp husband. Sometimes I wonder if she got into that "lifestyle" willingly, or if it was the only way she could hold onto him.

331 posted on 04/10/2002 1:56:05 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: FresnoDA
Fresno, if, by posting the articles you have on swinging and sex addiction, that makes you a swinger or a sex addict, WHAT, THEN, DOES THAT MAKE KIM FOR POSTING SO MANY DATA DUMPS ON CHILD MOLESTATION? No, I don't think she's a child molester, but the same standards apply.
332 posted on 04/10/2002 2:03:40 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: MizSterious
Good one MizSterious!
333 posted on 04/10/2002 2:07:08 PM PDT by Lauratealeaf
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To: MizSterious
Just for your information, I did not accuse him of being a swinger... But nice try.
334 posted on 04/10/2002 2:09:42 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: MizSterious
Maybe you think that his constant harping on it makes him a perv, but I don't think so.. Sheesh
335 posted on 04/10/2002 2:10:55 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: MizSterious
Kim can't identify the difference between a Male and Female poster on the forum. She will post the profile of a Child Molester, and by gosh, could turn a good person into one, just by saying it enough.

I've said this before, but here in Arkansas, if your child under the age of 5 is in the car with you, you have a wreck and the kid dies, IF YOU did not buckle the child in it's car-seat, you can be tried and convicted in the child's death. NEGLIGENCE!

Parents are responsible to take precautions to insure their children's safety. The van Dams invited trouble into their home that night, no matter who killed the little girl.

sw

336 posted on 04/10/2002 2:13:12 PM PDT by spectre
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Ok, but you did say he's "infatuated" in this post:

I will ignore that untruth..and raise you a fact. Fresno is the one who appears infatuated..he's the one who has been researching and posting his research about swinging: that I won't read btw. Wrong Gal er fella Spec! Besides, everyone, all of us agree with you about the immoral issues. But the judge will say..the only think illegal is the pot smoking. Sorry, but true.

239 posted on 4/10/02 9:47 AM Central by ~Kim4VRWC's~

So, do your data dumps on child molestation make you infatuated with child molesting? As I said before, I don't believe you are a child molester, but the same standards apply.

There, is that better? LOL, smileywhatever, and grouphugz.

338 posted on 04/10/2002 2:19:05 PM PDT by MizSterious
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To: MizSterious
Good post.

Hugs and XOXOXO's to all!!

sw

339 posted on 04/10/2002 2:23:01 PM PDT by spectre
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To: MizSterious
WHAT, THEN, DOES THAT MAKE KIM FOR POSTING SO MANY DATA DUMPS ON CHILD MOLESTATION? No, I don't think she's a child molester, but the same standards apply.

Pinging....operation Candyman....investigation required

340 posted on 04/10/2002 2:23:47 PM PDT by FresnoDA
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