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Why are All you Southerners in Denial? Of Course It Was About Slavery!!

Posted on 04/09/2002 9:35:02 AM PDT by GulliverSwift

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1 posted on 04/09/2002 9:35:02 AM PDT by GulliverSwift
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You just made their case for them. It was about the states right to choose what they wanted and what was best for them.

If it hadn't been slavery it would have been something else.

2 posted on 04/09/2002 9:37:36 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush
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Thanks, but I think I've hit my qouta of B.S. for the day.
3 posted on 04/09/2002 9:38:28 AM PDT by tomakaze
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"Why are all you southerners in denial"

Oh, you have talked to all of us? Don't have much to do today, eh?

4 posted on 04/09/2002 9:39:36 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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How long before a "Southerner" complains about the "Yankees" moving south?
5 posted on 04/09/2002 9:40:20 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: GulliverSwift
Then why didn't the Emancipation Proclaimation, come at the beginning of the war, instead of 1/2 way through.
6 posted on 04/09/2002 9:40:21 AM PDT by suekas
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To: GulliverSwift
Very well put sir....I doubt it will open many of the closed minds on this issue though.
Still a well written and thought out piece.
Newcats
7 posted on 04/09/2002 9:40:22 AM PDT by newcats
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To: GulliverSwift
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Sounds like someone may have watched Roots a few times too many...

8 posted on 04/09/2002 9:41:25 AM PDT by The Green Goblin
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you jackass....that war proved that Blacks were treated well in the south,and NOT WELL in the north....... States rights were the reason and the industrial steel producing north was advantaged against the south,you jackass
9 posted on 04/09/2002 9:41:51 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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If it was all about slavery, why did it take two years and hundreds of thousands of lives before Lincoln "freed" the slaves?.

---max

10 posted on 04/09/2002 9:42:14 AM PDT by max61
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How long before a "Southerner" complains about the "Yankees" moving south?

Every chance I get...

11 posted on 04/09/2002 9:44:15 AM PDT by Ward Smythe
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To: GulliverSwift
Virginia did not secede until Lincoln said he was sending troops through the state in order to attack South Carolinia. That was the issue that caused the legislature to vote for secession (by a slim majority).
12 posted on 04/09/2002 9:44:57 AM PDT by putupon
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Southern states stated that as their official reason

Really now? Could you please supply the Causes of Secession for North Carolina and Virginia(had to vote twice to secede). Don't remember seeing those. Actually most of the border states didn't secede until good ol' abe starting trampling the Constitution with his 75,000 'volunteer' force to start invading half the nation. But thanks again for your input, halfwitted as it might be it still points to the cause, the right of the states to determine their destinies as outlined in the Ratifications of Virginia, New York, and New Jersey of the Constitution

13 posted on 04/09/2002 9:45:21 AM PDT by billbears
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"You jackass"

Hey! Don't give me a bad name!

14 posted on 04/09/2002 9:45:51 AM PDT by isthisnickcool
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To: GulliverSwift
As said in 1776, Is that the stench of hypocrisy I smell coming from the north?
15 posted on 04/09/2002 9:47:32 AM PDT by dts32041
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To: billbears, aomagrat; Aurelius; shuckmaster; palmetto; 4 Conservative Justices; wasp69
I've got too much work, to do, but here's a...
States' Rights BUMP!

Have fun, and DEO VINDICE!


16 posted on 04/09/2002 9:47:37 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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If you want someone's opinion, you read what they said at the time. Read each state's "Declaration of Secession" and see that the states that issued their Declaration mentioned slavery as the most important reason they left. Our opinions don't count, their's does.
17 posted on 04/09/2002 9:47:51 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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Maybe you should go back and read some of Lincoln writings before you spew out this kind of nonsense. Slavery was a minor issue. Lincoln in his own writings refused to address the issue of slavery until 4 years into the war. He did not want to outlaw slavery.

The president didn't have the power to free the slaves anyway. The only one's that could would be the Supreme Court or the slaves themselves. If you read the papers of the south, you would see that slavery was on the way out anyway (not by all, but by many).

The civil war was about taxes and states rights, thats it. Slavery was a nice little escape goat for the history books, and was just the 19th century democrat menuvure to have a whole bunch more folks to vote for you. What better way to have a new giant support base than to free a bunch of slaves.

Now I believe that slavery (not indentured servitude) is evil (except in some cases paying the penalty of a crime or in even rare, rare cases of significant torts), but don't confuse the issue.
18 posted on 04/09/2002 9:49:26 AM PDT by borntodiefree
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Still a well written and thought out piece

Well written? Do you people even read the newspapers up there and know their history or are they just used to line your birdcages? It doesn't provide one piece of evidence, it ignores statements even made by abe himself (not wanting to be painted with an 'abolitionist brush', late 1861), and ignores the fact that until the middle of the war abolitionist groups numbered less than 1% of the voting public up north. Surely you're not going to suggest abe started a war to pander to less than 1% of the voting public?

19 posted on 04/09/2002 9:49:31 AM PDT by billbears
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Treated well....if you compare their treatment to how farm animals were treated, guess you could say they lived in luxury.
Give me a break...
Guess because they were slaves, they were immune to the rights of the BofRs?
Newcats
20 posted on 04/09/2002 9:50:05 AM PDT by newcats
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