They Live to Die (Islam Martyrdom)

Wall St. Journal ^ | Apr 7, 2002 | REUEL MARC GERECHT

[The Raven]

Martyrdom -- istishhad -- is an old and esteemed idea in Islam. Its most powerful and historically significant expression came in the year 680 when Husayn, the son of the Caliph Ali and the grandson of the Prophet Muhammad, died at Karbala in southern Iraq. Shiite Muslims, who see rightful rule in Islam descending through Ali's blood line, permanently imbedded the death of Husayn, "the prince of all martyrs," into the broader Muslim consciousness as a never-ending passion play.

[The Raven]

We have not yet seen Christian Palestinians, of whom there are many, suicidally attacking the Israelis

Important point!!! It's the religion, stupid.

[dennisw]

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[The Raven]

I meant to highlight the point of the article....which is.....[from near the end]

So what will work? .....Unfortunately, it is only war

[dennisw]

In my best of all possible worlds Israel will continue to root out Palestinian Jihadists for the next 2 months. The restraints are US threats to cut of aid and EU threats to bar all or some Israel exports. EU threats to make trade sanctions on it's own or with the UN. UN would love to get into the game and make Israel a pariah state........As was done to South Africa. 

It's the savages of the 3rd world versus the people of the first world. Look at Zimbabwe and South Africa for what happens when the 3rd world governs itself. Same would happen if the Arabs were somehow able to take over Israel and then establish governance over the Jews there.

[GATOR NAVY]

So what will work? .....Unfortunately, it is only war

Absolutely correct. I'm missing something here...who are we trying to suck up to?

If it is right for us to hit Al Quida's base in Afghanistan (and without a doubt it is), then why is it wrong for the Isreali's to hit the source of their terror?

[KDD]

I hope President Bush reads this article. This guy nails it.

[dennisw]

If it is right for us to hit Al Quida's base in Afghanistan (and without a doubt it is), then why is it wrong for the Isreali's to hit the source of their terror?

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Pallies took their fight to Israeli soil. Killing Israeli civilians. So now Israel has taken the fight to Palestinian territory.

[KDD]

Related article.

[Travis McGee]

The Pali terrorist groups have the declared non-negotiable goal of establishing an islamic sharia law state from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea, and they perceive any "peace plan" recognizing the permanent borders of Israel as fatal to their goals.

The closer we get to any version of "the Saudi plan", the more terrorism we will see.

[My Identity]

Thanks to TomGuy for much of the above.

I am still wondering if the only honorable way to "solve" the Arab-Israeli conflict is to use "ethnic cleansing" (by which I mean the polite, but forceful removal of all 3 million Palis from Eretz Yisrael -- which is not "genocide", as some on the Left misuse the term).

The current wave of "suicide" bombers (a misnomer, since their primary goal is not suicide but the mass murder of civilians) is unprecedented and unrelenting. But it should not be unexpected. It is the direct (and obviously planned) result of brainwashing that started with Pali children as young as 1st and 2nd grade. Look at the faces of the babies in the pictures above. What vomitous horror. What unspeakable evil.

And this is not just brainwashing that has sprung forth from the "hopelessness" of the populace, as the PA "leaders" would have us believe. It is part and parcel of the machine created by the PA to wreak systematic havoc on Israel. Someone decided to train -- i.e., brainwash -- the youth. Someone decided to buy the materials, make the bombs, and hide them. Someone decided to lay out and plan a path to a weak spot in Israeli defenses. Someone decided to give these murdering-bombers their weapons. Someone decided to videotape their farewell messages. Someone decided to compensate the family to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars to pay specifically for their "martyrdom." And, as we are now learning, that means someone like Saddam Hussein, Yassir Arafat and the Saudi elite.

The PA has been preparing its people, not for peace, but for visceral hate and unrelenting war. Indeed, as Henry Kissinger has pointed out:

In reality, the number of Palestinian leaders... who want peace in the Western sense -- as a point after which the world lives free of tensions with a consciousness of reconciliation -- is minuscule. The fundamental schism is between those who want to bring about the destruction of Israel by continuing the present struggle, and those who believe that an agreement now would be a better strategy to rally forces for the ultimate showdown later on.

The unfortunate result of Arafat's strategy of hatred is that Pali society is no longer able to co-exist in peace with Israel. Recent polls tell the story clearly: Over 87% of the Palis support these terror operations. Given these numbers, there is NO POSSIBILITY (within the lifetime of these people) of a negotiated settlement that would be honored by the Palis. Arafat has brainwashed an entire generation of youngsters to become suicide bombers. He has unleashed almost 10 years of official "judeo-nazi" indoctrination on the Pali people, making PA pretensions to peace a sick joke. Arafat has committed not only a crime against Israel, but against humanity -- and against Palestinians.

As antithetical as it sounds to liberal ears, ethnic cleansing is literally the only humane solution. To pursue a negotiated settlement is akin to locking a tiger and a human with a gun in the same cage. Assign the roles to whomever you wish, but the result is the same. Someone is eventually going to die. The world community's role in this has been to create the spectacle -- a semitic, caged, death match.

Current conditions make "ethnic cleansing" not only justified, but morally required. Nothing less than the equivalent of an "Allied invasion of Nazi Germany" will suffice to rid the world of this monstrosity. Eject all Arab peoples from Gaza and the West Bank (because once you eliminate the terrorists and their supporters, virtually nobody is left). Then round up their leaders (including "clerics" and "teachers"), put these so called leaders on trial for Crimes against Humanity. As they are found guilty, hang them in public.

And to the extent that this PA policy was conducted, funded, supported, promoted, or otherwise enabled by their Arab bretheren (notably Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia) then it is concomitant upon these countries to pay for their sins by taking in the Palis. Arabs created this mess. Let Arabs bear the toll for the human misery they created.

Even Tom Friedman (NYT) has come around, fully grasping the global ramifications of Arafat's evil:

"...all they [the Palestinian leaders] can agree on is what they want to destroy, not what they want to build.... Let's be very clear: Palestinians have adopted suicide bombing as a strategic choice.... This threatens all civilization because if suicide bombing is allowed to work in Israel, then, like hijacking and airplane bombing, it will be copied and will eventually lead to a bomber strapped with a nuclear device threatening entire nations."

What is needed is the elimination of this cancer on humanity. End it now or more innocent lives will be lost. End it now or it will escalate to WMD. End it clearly and with finality so that there is NO ambiguity. Moral clarity demands nothing less.

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[Tolik]

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Related Articles:

Islam Vs. The World
Source: Toogood Reports; Published: December 2, 2001;
Author: Alan Caruba

Civilization Envy
Source: National Review Online; Published: September 28, 2001;
Author: Jonah Goldberg

[Travis McGee]

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[knighthawk]

Thanks for the article, and the ping!

[tet68]

weakness in the Middle East never goes unpunished.

How much like the socialist, "advance to the point of the bayonet",this is.

I really wish GW would tone down his calls for Sharon to pull back, it only makes him look weak and will not matter a twit on the arab street.

[Revolting cat!]

Excellent article, excellent comment. BUMP.

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