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Probe Into Cuba's Possible *Sunken City* Advances
Yahoo ^ | 03-29-02 | Andrew Cawthorne

Posted on 03/30/2002 8:02:04 PM PST by mercy

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I'm intrigued. Despite the fact that Art Bell thinks this is the greatest thing since the face on mars (kiss of death) I'm going to keep my eye on developments regarding this.
1 posted on 03/30/2002 8:02:04 PM PST by mercy
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To: mercy
Could be the Flinstones Bedrock!
2 posted on 03/30/2002 8:04:40 PM PST by A CA Guy
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To: mercy
I like Art Bell even if most of his guests are a bit whacky.
3 posted on 03/30/2002 8:05:41 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: A CA Guy
A member of the FR one liner club I see.
4 posted on 03/30/2002 8:06:46 PM PST by mercy
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To: mercy
"Could this be evidence of an ancient advanced civilization? Of alien visitors who intermarried with the people of earth to produce a super-human race? Perhaps. We cannot be certain at this point. But the clues are there, and the answers are tantalizingly close."
--Erich von Charlatan, In Search of Easy Pseudo-Documentary Dollars
5 posted on 03/30/2002 8:07:09 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
He can be an interesting listen although I turn the dial more often than not. Too many hocus pocus 'new age' guests. He needs a better booking service. I've heard about all the NDE silly women I can handle.
6 posted on 03/30/2002 8:09:11 PM PST by mercy
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To: mercy
Do not enter the domain of Aquaman!

Seriously, this sounds pretty neat. They'd get things done much faster is Castro were out of the way.

7 posted on 03/30/2002 8:09:24 PM PST by GeronL
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To: blam
ping-a-ling
8 posted on 03/30/2002 8:09:56 PM PST by okie01
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LOL
9 posted on 03/30/2002 8:10:26 PM PST by mercy
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(((ping))))


10 posted on 03/30/2002 8:14:40 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: mercy
Art Bell is good to fall asleep to.

He sounds just like David Brinkley and is usually pleasant with guests and callers.

It's the closest thing we have today to the old Twilight Zone series.

11 posted on 03/30/2002 8:15:30 PM PST by Ken H
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They'd get things done much faster is Castro were out of the way.

Maybe. Or maybe not. This might be the kind of discovery Cubans would be very interested in.

12 posted on 03/30/2002 8:27:33 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: RightWhale
I first heard about this more than a year ago... somebody is dragging their feet.
13 posted on 03/30/2002 8:29:11 PM PST by GeronL
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To: mercy
I'm intrigued. Despite the fact that Art Bell thinks this is the greatest thing since the face on mars (kiss of death) I'm going to keep my eye on developments regarding this.

They seem to be finding towns and cities in all the wrong places these days, at least from the perspective of evolutionists, and uniformitarian geologists. There's the city 2100' beneath the waves off Cuba, the magnetic anomaly 2 miles beneath the Antarctic ice at Lake Vostok and, despite anything you may think you know or have heard, the remains of at least one city on Mars.

Images returned from the global surveilance device in orbit around Mars the last several years have included an image of the main pyramid in the ring of pyramids to the left of the face which should have immediately ended all controversy over the question of artificiality:

To me at least, the pyramid is four sided and the four triangular sides are clear enough, and I've marked them with green lines. The other part of the image amounts to some sort of an enclosed corridor or causeway leading out from one corner of the pyramid, and then two nearly rectangular features at the end of that causeway, which may be doors or some sort of adjunct buildings. There also seems to be a line going from the Eastern corner of the pyramid to the two rectangular objects, which I've marked with a blue line, but I suspect that's just an edge of sand being blown up into a sort of an apron abutting the pyramid, and that the hollow between the pyramid and the corridor would naturally trap sand.

Nonetheless, there was little or no mention whatsoever in the press of this new pyramid image, and this was largely because press coverage centered around the new image of the face which NASA released:

This image was said to prove the entire controversy regarding Cydonia to be a bunch of buncombe, and to prove that the structures at Cydonia all to be natural geological formations.

More recently, Dr. Tom Van Flandern, a former director of celestial mechanics at the Naval Abservatory, and others have noted that the image which NASA and JPL released, aside from being a worst possible case in terms of viewing angle and lighting, had actually been "cleaned up" or something like that via the use of a high-pass filter which is a standard image processing device for removing detail. Van Flandern notes that the basic help function for Adobe's Photo Shop product notes:

High Pass Filter: Retains edge details where sharp color transitions occur and suppresses the rest of the image. The filter removes low-frequency detail in an image. Useful for extracting line-art and large black-and-white areas from scanned images.

Van Flandern notes that, as to JPL's motives in using such a filter device on this particular image and then handing it to the public, "we are left with an unhappy choice between dishonesty and incompetence."

When we consider that the raw image looks like:

and that the same image with minimal computer enhancement, which does not add any information looks like:


All of that is bad enough, i.e. it might convince people that NASA and JPL told a big, stupid lie to the American people and to the world. But it's getting worse; consider the new and more direct overhead image of the face which NASA released during May of 2001.

Click Image Above for Full Size NASA Images

Several things are clear. First and most obvious is that anybody still trying to claim that this thing is a mesa or any other kind of natural formation is dillusional. I notice several things, which I have indicated in the marked-up image below

First is that there is only one possible way to build such a thing, i.e. to pile up stones into the rough shape you need, large stones on the bottom and then progressively smaller ones, and then put some sort of a hard facing over the entire thing. You can see how this has been done in the image. On the left side from which wind and sand come, the facing is almost entirely eroded and, even where the underlying stone shows, everything has been worn smooth. On the right side, we can see that part of the facing remains, much of it having fallen off to the side in heaps. We can see the cutout in the facing for the left eye which I have noted, and we can see where the facing fell and broke away from the nose, which is what you would expect. We can also see the rough stones of the nose area, which have not all been worn smooth.

Second is that the megalith is heavily damaged, and has suffered more than one kind of damage. My guess is that the entire rock plate on which the megalith sits was picked up and slammed down, and that the megalith was deformed in the process. You can see the places where the hard casement has been pulled apart on the right side. The megalith has been compressed along the axis from lower left to upper right which I have marked with the blue line, and stretched along the other axis from lower right to upper left. The angle A between the line of the headdress on the left side and the line along the top is thus less than the original 90 degrees. The line through the center of the face has been deformed from the original straight line to the curved line which I have drawn. The basic shape of the mouth is still there, albeit moved to the left as I have noted. You can see where the outer casing has broken away from part of the outline of the mouth on the right.

You can see the ridge along the eyebrows as I have noted, you can see the indentation for the right eye and the outline of the left eye cut into the facing and still in reasonably good shape. You can see the rise for the nose as well as the area where the casing broke away from the nose on the right, and part of the remains of nostrils, and you can see the basic lines of the mouth.

Unless of course you're STUPID like the feebs at NASA who're still working triple shifts trying to convince the world this thing is a mesa. In that kind of case, no amount of technology will help. There has never been a cure for stupidity, and there will never be one.

A short while ago, Dr. Van Flandern and other associates gave a presentation at the National Press Club which may be viewed at Metaresearch.

Information has been coming in for two or three years now from the device presently over Mars. Massive evidence of Mars having been inhabited fairly recently has been accumulating. As Metaresearch and other www sites dealing with the subject note, this includes evidence of settlements:

Click on image for full NASA image. Note the terracing, and the rows of structures which are heavily weathered to the upper right of the image but which retain their rectangular corners on the lower left (leeward) side.

Other human faces have been found carved in the surface, e.g.:

Numerous other things intended to be viewed from off-planet have been documented at Metaresearch, Cydonia Files, and other sites.

What then drives the basic instinct of NASA and JPL to bury this story? One possible motive which has been suggested involves the division of funding between manned and unmanned space missions at NASA and JPL. But, more realistically, the major problem which the Cydonia findings presents to the people in these agencies is one of basic scientific paradigms. Nobody could build all of this stuff on this kind of a megalithic scale with space-suits on; the planet has to be habitable for Cydonia to get built. This is a huge problem, in that it would require a totally different basic theory of the history of our solar system from the one which the scientists have. There is simply no way, given the standard paradigm, in which Mars could have ever been habitable. It would always have been too cold, and it would never have had the gravity necessary to hold a livable atmosphere, assuming that gravity is the only thing which ever holds atmosphere to planets.

The standard scientific axiomatic scheme including the basic doctrine of uniformitarianism, evolution etc. etc. does not allow for solar-system-wide catastrophes within the age of man, nonetheless, that is precisely what we have here. Those newer face images are definitely modern people and not early hominids. Nothing involving modern people here, on Mars, or anywhere else figures to be millions of years gone by, and nothing capable of destroying the planet next to us and making a dead world of it would have gone unnoticed by our ancestors.

What we have here is another case of junk science, i.e. the theory of evolution and the doctrine of uniformity, destroying research and logical thinking amongst scientists. The science pages of our journals are filled by descriptions of NASA projects to search for microbes on Mars while studiously ignoring major evidence that they have found a city there, as if germs were important, and cities were not.

14 posted on 03/30/2002 8:31:43 PM PST by medved
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To: mercy
Yep, with affection for the one line worthy topic.
15 posted on 03/30/2002 8:31:58 PM PST by A CA Guy
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"....possibly sitting on an island that was sunk to great depths by cataclysmic earth movement such as an earthquake.."

Interesting. Some years ago, Jacques Cousteau (sp?) found a cave in the Carribean Sea floor down about 200 ft. In it were stalagtites! One had broken off and was lying on the floor, so he took it on board the Calypso. Now, stalagtites do not form underwater, If mineral-laden water is keeping them wet, their radius will grow at about two thousandths of an inch per year. Using this, the age of Cousteau's stalagtite was about 30,000 years!

So whatever the elevation of that cave, it had been above sea level for at least 30,00 years. What they found off of Cuba's coast could very well be an ancient city that, too, was above sea level at one time.

16 posted on 03/30/2002 8:33:36 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Ken H
Art Bell is good to fall asleep to.

I used to. I've been d/l old time radio, and listening to that when falling asleep.

Bell's been irritating lately (to me), for some reason. That is, when he decides to "show up".

That Linda Moulton-Howe (or whatever), Bell's "reporter" on this story has a lousy interview style. (Must have been a lawyer).

17 posted on 03/30/2002 8:47:38 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: medved
I think if you look at the face of Mars it bears a striking resemblance to Racer-X of the Speed Racer cartoon. This is two sentences! LOL
18 posted on 03/30/2002 8:47:40 PM PST by A CA Guy
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Thanks for the ping Saber!

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19 posted on 03/30/2002 8:49:24 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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somebody is dragging their feet

Possibly. Funding for archaeological expeditions is severely limited. If, however, they can pull up a piece of suspicious rock, or get some decent images, a patron might step forth. It's just a matter of getting someone with the proper interest and wealth to take a look at the evidence. A university would be easiest because of the intense competition for appropriate doctoral thesis subjects. Results bring funding, but Cuba wouldn't have much funding available.

20 posted on 03/30/2002 8:58:28 PM PST by RightWhale
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