I would like to ask you one very specific question and I'd like a very specific answer.
Why did a higher percentage of Serbs flee Kosovo during NATO's "bombing for humanity" than Albanians?
You've convinced me that you're hopless. I asked you one specific question so as not to over burden you and you couldn't even answer that.
Did you even read the article? You don't consider Michel Chossudovsky's sources to be credible? Which of his sources don't you feel are credible?
The OSCE report?
The Kosovo Albanian sources?
The UNHCR sources?
Yugoslavia's 1991 census?
On second thought, nevermind. If you're not bright enough consider the sources that are named in the article when you're asked one specific question, there's no way you'll be able to make intelligent commentary on the nature of the sources.
The whole of the article you quote is a bad joke. I’ll just start with his first paragraph:
"NATO's justification for bombing Yugoslavia on humanitarian grounds has been refuted by the Western alliance's own official figures and documentary evidence. The recently released OSCE report entitled "As Seen, As Told: Analysis of the Human Rights Findings of the OSCE Kosovo Verification Mission" suggests that the allegation of mass deportations is a fabrication."1
His cited reference for this is:
1. OSCE, Kosovo/ Kosova, As Seen, As Told, An analysis of the human rights findings of the OSCE Kosovo Verification Mission, October 1998 to June 1999, Warsaw, 1999.
Now read what the OSCE Report actually said:OSCE
I’ll quote some in case you’re too idle to use the link:
862,000 Kosovo Moslems were expelled, men, women and children. Internally displaced, 200,000-260,000.
Kosovo Albanians were clearly targeted for expulsion because of their ethnicity. Other ethnic and religious groups, such as Turks, Gorani and Muslim Slavs, were excluded from the expulsions. Serb houses were marked with the Serbian cross so that they would not be targeted.7 Those expelled by the Serbian forces included not only able-bodied Kosovo Albanian men and women, but also children and those elderly people who were too infirm to be mobile.
It might be possible to argue that the Serbian forces were essentially looking for UCK arms or supporters, a legitimate aim for a government seeking to bring a rebel movement under control. However, the way in which these operations were carried out indicates that the intention was clearly expulsion. Villagers were given minutes to leave and told that they should go and never come back and that Kosovo was Serbian land.8 Acts of brutality and violence were used to heighten the climate of fear, create chaos and a pervading fear for life. They formed part of a policy of terror designed to trigger "spontaneous" departure.
It might also be possible to maintain that the forced movement of Kosovo Albanians by Serbian forces was to prevent civilians from becoming caught in crossfire and fighting. Serbian forces which accompanied convoys or buses to the border could arguably be seen as providing protection (for instance, from paramilitaries or air attack) for those leaving.9
Indeed, this does appear on occasion to have been the case. However, the brutality and violence with which the IDPs were generally treated - with killings and beatings - and the failure to provide food or water - indeed, the systematic destruction of food supplies - suggest that the opposite of protection was intended.
The morning after NATO bombing, Serb forces (VJ, police, paramilitaries), heavily armed and with tanks and armoured vehicles, completely surrounded the city. They started shooting into the houses at 07:00 hours. We had to wake up our children and flee but we did not know where to go. All went very fast. We did not dare to go to the main street, we just had to climb from house to house. We could not take anything but the clothes we wore. The children had only pyjamas. We could hear shots in other houses and the crying of women and children and the shouting of paramilitaries. On the way out of the city we got to the cemetery via some side lanes and we could hear shooting, so we went down in a ditch and bullets were going over our heads. One 18-year-old girl was killed. One man was hit on the shoulder by a paramilitary with the back of a rifle and we heard that he was later executed. On that day they also started to burn the houses. We could see our own house on fire as we were leaving. The whole neighbourhood was on fire.10
Frequently a Kosovo Albanian would be intimidated, injured or killed in full public view to enforce the departure of the other villagers. Houses were also looted and set alight. Those who refused to leave were often killed. The combination of shelling, shooting, burning, intimidation and killing created chaos and panic, with villagers running in fear of their lives. As one refugee expelled from Vranic/Vraniq (Suva Reka) in early April explained, the "police threatened the population and killed some to encourage others to leave".11
One interviewee described seeing a child, aged two or three, who had been impaled on a wooden pole on the road between Pristina/Prishtina and Kolic/Koliq. Written on the pole were the words, "This is Serbia. This is what we are going to do to all Albanians, because I am God and NATO means nothing to me."10 A 22-year-old man described how he saw a woman being stabbed by a Serbian police officer first in one arm and then in the other, so that the two-month-old baby that she held in her arms fell to the ground. As the baby fell the police officer shot it on the spot.11 As the Serb forces surrounded the village of Padaliste/Padalishte (Istok), they went into the house of a teacher, took three young children and told the teacher to cut off their heads. When he refused, the police cut their throats; they also killed the teacher.12 As police, VJ and paramilitaries expelled inhabitants from their homes in Kosovska Mitrovica in mid-April, an interviewee reported seeing one of them hit a six-month-old child with a hammer (the fate of the child is not reported).13 Another interviewee described how, in an IDP convoy outside Pec on the morning of 16 April 1999, Serb forces took a five-month-old baby from the arms of its mother and asked: "Do you want to come back to Kosovo?" As the baby - of course - did not answer, they told the mother: "This baby will never go back to Kosovo!" and they threw it on the ground and killed it.14
The reason lots of Serbs decided to go to Serbia is clear. They knew what was coming to them. It’s called retribution. And who could blame the Kosovo Muslims.
So as A'Brit' you wouldn't object to every single black African killing any British person they came across? Or, if you were, say, Albanian, it would now be okay for any Serbs to kill your family through 'retribution'? What a backward and uncivilised logic. How old are you?
A few pointers for you:
Kosovo is in Serbia - it's a province just like Yorkshire or Dorset (if you know Britain at all!);
Albanians migrated into other parts of Serbia from Kosovo as well (in 10s of 1,000s);
You should maybe try reading anything that people here have said;
Who are 'Kosovo Muslims'?? There are other nationalities of Muslims in Serbia apart from Albanians.
You clearly know absolutely nothing about this subject and are just wasting everyone's time. You're even still ranting on about genocide in Kosovo, when it's not even being charged by the UN!!
Wrong. You've got your chronology all wrong. I'm talking about why a greater percentage of Serbs fled during NATO's bombing for humanity than Albanians, not about the Serbs that fled after it was over and UN Security Council 1244 was put into effect.
Prior to 1244 the Serbs were dominating on the ground. There was no sign that NATO would convince the JNA to leave Kosovo and turn it over to the KLA or that NATO's bombing was even putting a tiny dent in Yugoslavia's defense of Kosovo.
Your retribution argument is weak. One could make the same argument that what was happening to the Albanians 1989-1999 could also be regarded as retribution. Essentially all you're doing is making an argument for the continuation for the cycle of violence. Following you line of logic, it's now the Serbs' turn to get back into Kosovo and take their turn at retribution.
Not too bright.
so you support the murder of civilians ?
BTW.....it has already been established that the KVM & OSCE reports were falsified by higher ups. No sense in posting any of their reports.
Also please note, If the HumWarriors version of the Kosovo and Metohija story was correct (ie genocidal Serb Government vs. civilian population) then the civilian murder rate should have dropped once the Government was replaced by Kfor.......instead the civilian murder rate has gone up between 2-5 times since Kfor took over.
For example.....In 1998, about 110 civilians were killed in KosMet
compared with In 2000, more than 246 civilians were murdered
Since Kfor & the KLA took responsibility for the safety and security of the people at least 1,100 civilains have been killed and 1,300 'disappeared' presumbed dead.
Abrit, this little thread started with a Conservative Montana Minister going to Kosovo and reporting back that the Media was telling lies.......Your first response was to tell us that Yugoslavia was a member of the communist military bloc and therefore that somehow justified bombing.......When that contention was throughly discredited, you then moved on to posting the same-old-worn-out-luird-tales-designed to foster race hatred which have ALSO been long since discredited...........
Instead of parroting the tired old mythology of Clinton's War......why don't you tell us just how much better life is in Kosovo now that Blair and Clinton have left their mark there ? The HumWarriors have been in Kosovo for niegh on 3 years now.....certainly it is reasonable to expect a comparaison.......