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Ogletree to deliver reparations lecture
NY Law Journal ^ | 3/28/02 | New York Law Journal

Posted on 03/28/2002 10:59:37 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines

Professor Charles J. Ogletree Jr. of Harvard Law School will deliver a lecture in Albany on whether the United States government should formally apologize and pay reparations for supporting slavery. Professor Ogletree, a champion of the reparations movement, will speak April 17 at 7 p.m. at Albany Law School. For more information, contact the school at (518) 472-5859.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: blacks; reparations; slavery
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1 posted on 03/28/2002 10:59:37 AM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
For an opening act, the stringless marionnette - Cornel West, will perform the loose-limbed, flopsy-mopsy dance while singing "If I Only Had a Brain."

Pre-lecture gate crash - 6:45.
Lecture - 7:00.
Post-lecture looting - 9:15.

2 posted on 03/28/2002 11:04:33 AM PST by dead
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
What a parasite. He should just get into his jet (he has painted up as "The Wings of Justice") Fill her up, and fly his butt to somewhere that there are more important injustices other than what someone did to Kizzie and Kunta-Kinte' in an Alex Haley work of fiction.
3 posted on 03/28/2002 11:08:14 AM PST by blackdog
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To: blackdog
He's in the running for the Jessie Jackson Shakedown Award.
4 posted on 03/28/2002 11:12:04 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: dead
Brilliant, intelligent remarks.

You should be proud of yourself.

5 posted on 03/28/2002 11:20:46 AM PST by Hotspur
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To: blackdog
What, as you so inartfully put it, happened to Kunta-Kinte a few generations ago has obvious lingering effects today.

A man deserves fair compense for an honest day's work. The slaves didn't get it. Had they, their descendents would have been much better off. The whites-only economy stole money and wealth--stole it--from the slaves; it's as simple as that. It's totally unjust that it not be returned.

Money can't really compensate for the massive injustice of slavery, nor am I under any illusions about the motives of some of the race-hustlers involved here, but reparations should have been granted decades ago.

6 posted on 03/28/2002 11:27:00 AM PST by Hotspur
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To: Hotspur
I am. Thank you.

I've studies some of Dr. West's rap lyrics, and tried to capture his cadence, as well as some of his street-smart realism, but fear my effort pales in comparison to his.

I'm happy to have found an audience in you, at least.

7 posted on 03/28/2002 11:27:48 AM PST by dead
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Everyone that wants to sue for reparations money should have to prove, conclusively, that they are decendants of slaves.

The high illegitimacy rates should reduce that to about a hundred people total.

8 posted on 03/28/2002 11:32:08 AM PST by Lance Romance
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To: Hotspur
What, as you so inartfully put it, happened to Kunta-Kinte a few generations ago has obvious lingering effects today.

Well, not really, since Kunta-Kinte was fictional or at the very least plagiarized.

9 posted on 03/28/2002 11:32:15 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: Hotspur
I see you subscribe to the concept of "collective guilt" so brilliantly delineated by Adolf Hitler in "Mein Kampf".

Are you going after the Jews next, or are they included in your payback on whitey?

10 posted on 03/28/2002 11:32:49 AM PST by dead
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To: dead
Not collective guilt, national guilt.

Big difference.

11 posted on 03/28/2002 11:34:35 AM PST by Hotspur
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To: Hotspur
What, as you so inartfully put it, happened to Kunta-Kinte a few generations ago has obvious lingering effects today.

Name one "lingering effect" that is "obviously" related to slavery, and share with us if you would the evidence that makes it "obvious."

The whites-only economy stole money and wealth--stole it--from the slaves; it's as simple as that. It's totally unjust that it not be returned.

Question: Do you think the rough measure of justice (i.e., the size of reparations) ought to be the difference between what is (i.e., blacks' current situation in the U.S., with all of its "lingering effects") and what would have been if not for the original crime?

12 posted on 03/28/2002 11:35:45 AM PST by untenured
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To: dead
Cornell West Rap

Two hunnred years ago
Our blood did flow
Held as slaves
We never got paids
Now we're free
Our chains had to flee
Pay us a fee
Aspecially to me
Cause I need some cash
To build up my stash
On my house I need a roofus
In my gap I need a toofus
I need some reparations
Cause my wife sued for separations
Hurry up and pay
Cause it's SHAKEDOWN DAY!!!!

13 posted on 03/28/2002 11:39:57 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Hotspur
I agree we should pay slaves for their labor. But they are dead. Tough. The bank is closed.
14 posted on 03/28/2002 11:41:17 AM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Hotspur
Actually, I am all for reparations to right the imbalance that other races were able to enjoy that allowed them to school their kids at the best schools, purchase real property, start businesses, etc... The reason that this growth for other classes was possible, was that they were not being taxed to death. I say give all blacks a 50 year exemption from paying federal income, and payroll taxes. That additional money would reward each person for their hard work. It would let them take home about 30% more real money. They can use that money for private schools, new businesses, real estate, investment etc...

You see, from the end of the civil war until 1913, industrialists thrived and business/technology blossomed. Let's give the black community the same 50 or so years of fair treatment in order to strengthen their community and families with the power of earnings.

Mr Ogletree and his ilk don't want that though. All they want are settlement fees to enrich only themselves.

15 posted on 03/28/2002 11:43:24 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Hotspur
Not collective guilt, national guilt. Big difference.

So you’re going to take money from the descendents of former slaves? Or are they not members of this nation?

How, exactly, are you going to handle disbursements? Will all black citizens get a check, even post 1865 arrivals?

Will we be able to develop a blood test that will determine the level of "blackness" in the blood of people of mixed race to determine their share?

Will you also support suing the current nations like Sudan that still currently utilize slaves?

Will you also support suing nations like China, Japan, Belize, Mexico, Portugal, Ivory Coast, Egypt, Jordan, Chile, England, Burma, and dozens more where slavery existed for thousands of years before the establishment of this nation?

Native American tribes enslaved people for centuries? Do you support suing them?

Have you even begun to think through the racist underpinings, logical inconsistencies and logistical impossibility of your knee-jerk, liberal idiocy?

16 posted on 03/28/2002 11:44:52 AM PST by dead
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To: untenured
Name one "lingering effect" that is "obviously" related to slavery, and share with us if you would the evidence that makes it "obvious."

White people who are wealthier than they would have been had they not stolen the labor of black people.

Black people who are poorer than they would have been had they not had their labor stolen by white people.

Black people who are less educated than they would be had their path to education not been stolen from them by their self-styled "masters."

These are all blatantly obvious, and I'm almost embarrassed to have to recite them, but I guess we're dealing with a bit of an obstinate crowd.

In any event, it doesn't matter whether there are lingering effects (though there clearly are)--justice requires restitution for the original crime.

17 posted on 03/28/2002 11:46:25 AM PST by Hotspur
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To: AppyPappy
Word.
18 posted on 03/28/2002 11:46:34 AM PST by dead
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To: untenured
Question: Do you think the rough measure of justice (i.e., the size of reparations) ought to be the difference between what is (i.e., blacks' current situation in the U.S., with all of its "lingering effects") and what would have been if not for the original crime?

Return of the stolen wages, plus interest, would cover the vast majority of what's due.

19 posted on 03/28/2002 11:47:38 AM PST by Hotspur
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To: blackdog
No offense to a long time Freeper but, what you suggest sounds just as stupid as reparations.
20 posted on 03/28/2002 11:47:48 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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