FBI agents said to oppose inquiry (shooting of Eagle Scout in Maryland)

Baltimore Sun ^ | March 15, 2002 | Gail Gibson

[Mulder]

Two senior agents from the FBI's Baltimore office told a private detective yesterday that the mistaken shooting of an unarmed Pasadena man likely would be ruled a "clean shoot," and discouraged him from looking into the case further, the investigator said in an interview. Dudley F.B. "Butch" Hodgson, a former FBI agent who has been retained by the shooting victim's lawyers, said he was told by one of the agents: "There's no middle ground in this thing. You're either with us or against us."

[Mulder]

[TADSLOS]

"clean shoot,"

As opposed to what, a dirty shoot?

[Mulder]

The cover-up continues.

I wounder if President Bush is "madder than heck" about this, like he was when one of his Royal Guards was kicked a commercial airliner?

[coloradan]

"Clean shoot."

"You're either for us or you're against us."

"Don't worry about the FBI. Stay focused on your obligation to Anne Arundel County and you won't go wrong.'"

[FormerLurker]

"They say the office opinion on this case is, 'It's a good shooting,'" Hodgson told The Sun yesterday. "I said, 'Fine. If that's the case, the facts are going to come out and show that.'"

"Good shooting". Yeah, right up there with Randy Weaver's wife being shot in the head while holding her baby. And let's not forget about all the people who were gassed, shot, and run over by tanks at Waco. Apparently, a "good shooting" is when they get away with murdering innocent people. Oh, that's right, this kid isn't dead. I guess those other incidents were REALLY "good shootings". Here they just maimed an innocent person for life..

[Fred Mertz]

Hodgson said he received calls from Sam Wichner, firearms instructor for the Baltimore office, and from Jim Ellis, a supervisor in the Calverton office, which reports to the Baltimore field office.

I like this Hodgson [ex-FBI] guy.

Mulder, did you notice how this article conveniently left the shooter's name out? For the record, he is Christopher Baga, age 35.

[csvset]

Perhaps they meant a "cleansed" shooting, where everyone* involved comes out of it sparkling clean.

*Everyone except for the poor lad who was shot. I'm sure the FBI rues the fact the lad survived this blast to the face.

Now that we've seen the picture of the victim, where's the picture of the trigger happy agent?

Perhaps he's a member of the "shadow government's" "shadow law enforcement" division.

[Gritty]

... (the victim's lawyer) was told by one of the agents: "There's no middle ground in this thing. You're either with us or against us."

No "middle-ground", eh, Agent? Circle the wagons?

Guess what, Agent.

We're law-abiding citizens here, and we're against you!

[rmvh]

What ever happened to the FBI that almost all Americans respected many decades ago....You know, the one under J Edgar Hoover who the Democrats, other socialists, and communists tarred and feathered with lies and deceit after his death so that they could gain control over this once marvelous organization?

Well, it all went down the old crapper because of such events as lowered hiring standards, affirmative action, and because of the ever present PC. Now we have agents round and about who are clearly incompetent, arrogant, and who are hostile to the rest of the population.

Truly sad.

[Bikers4Bush]

How in the world could an innocent person being shot EVER be considered a clean shoot?

[scouse]

he is Christopher Baga,

Is that name Baga or Braga?

[Mulder]

Mulder, did you notice how this article conveniently left the shooter's name out? For the record, he is Christopher Baga, age 35.

I thought it was "Barga", not "Baga", but I could be wrong.

The idea that this JBT is still on the payroll (with our tax dollars) is repulsive, although not surprising considering what happened at Waco and Ruby Ridge.

The local police should have arrested Barga on the scene instead of letting him "whoop it up" with his buddies after he shot the kid.

[ctdonath2]

That's the terminology used when the suspect's behavior, given the information available, justifies shooting him. (Remember, a "suspect" may be innocent.) Tragic "clean shoots" include:
- kid taking a firing stance and pointing a convincing toy gun (case: kid skulking around school at night with LaserTag gun)
- a guy suddenly ("furtive movement") drawing a black object from his coat after being told to not move (case: the Diallo shooting)
and plenty others.

This case is plainly a "dirty shoot" because the boy was told to get out of the car, and simply was unbuckling his seat belt: he was following directions and made no furtive movement.

This case must not stand.

[jackbill]

Mulder, did you notice how this article conveniently left the shooter's name out? For the record, he is Christopher Baga, age 35.

The last name is actually BRAGA.

[Fred Mertz]

"Another FBI agent, Christopher Braga, shot Schultz that day."

Oops!! Thanks for the correction.

From this article: Details unfold in FBI mix-up

[Slyfox]

It sounds like a 'clean shoot' is when somebody who is shot by the FBI and just happens to be innocent, doesn't die.

Is the FBI going to just shuffle this agent off to another FBI office?

[Mulder]

This case is plainly a "dirty shoot" because the boy was told to get out of the car

It's more like it was "GET OUT OF THE F***ING CAR", being shouted by several JBTs at the top of their lungs.

It's also very possible that another agent was shouting "DON'T F***ING MOVE" to the kid, just to (intentionally) confuse the situation for the victim.

That way, if he didn't move they could shoot him for not "getting out of the f***ing car".

[rolling_stone]

"There's no middle ground in this thing. You're either with us or against us."

No, that's "you're either with us or with the terrorists". Can't these FBI guys get anything right?

In this case seems it should be you're either with us terrorists or against us.......this is a despicable show of unprofessional conduct IMO and those guys should be on the beach..obviously they didn't think a former FiBEEE would rat them off...do you think they could be unbiased in a criminal investigation against a suspect if they are biased for one of their own???curtain of secrecy seems to prevail...