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To: Nick Danger
it is useful as part of the socialization process.

I agree with your core idea, but that nursery rhyme compliments only half of our society, and that unrealistically. Little girls are just as vicious by nature as little boys, who are not nearly the monsters tradition would have us believe they are. The "liberation" of women has allowed -- nay, encouraged -- them to seek their own levels of depravity, as though somehow THAT was the image to which they should aspire, rather than an elevated sense of propriety and domestic excellence.

In other words, little girls gave up the sugar and spice, which was fine since it was pretty unrealitic to begin with. But they gave it up in favor of snakes and snails and puppy dog tails. So now we've got an entire society comprised of reptiles, mollusks, and the caudal appendages of domesticated canines.

13 posted on 04/13/2002 7:11:08 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
...that nursery rhyme compliments only half of our society, and that unrealistically. Little girls are just as vicious by nature as little boys, who are not nearly the monsters tradition would have us believe they are

Again, I don't see the nursery rhyme as being descriptive. I think the "snakes and snails" part is meant to encourage boys to be curious, adventuresome explorers of the world... just the sort of characteristics in men that feminists hate.

The feminists are absolutely correct when they say that such nursery rhymes are part of a process that maintains traditional sex roles where men are 'adventuresome explorers' and women are those nice people who keep all of society's relationships greased. Feminists hate that. But the societies that practice that are the ones that have come to inherit the Earth.

Every single major civilization on Earth, no matter how weirdly different they are in other ways, has the concepts of 'marriage' and 'family' and 'two-parent households.' It's usually the men who 'tinker and explore' and the women who 'maintain home and hearth.'

Whatever else one can say about that arrangement, it basically works, where "works" means that the European, Chinese, Indian, Arab, etc. civilizations who follow that basic recipe have blown all other arrangements off the planet.

I just love it when some feminist academic trots out a tribe of bush people someplace who eat roots and live in hollowed-out trees, and offers this as an example of a successful society without traditional sex roles.

Imagine a world where men have no interest in science or the world around them, and where women bend their social skills toward being mean, vicious backstabbers. What the Hell kind of a society would that make? Who would want to live there? Could such people even maintain a civilization? Sadly, I think we're going to find out the hard way that they can't.

I think the Gramscian lunatics are past the tipping point in terms of arranging our societal institutions to produce exactly that sort of adult population.


15 posted on 04/13/2002 4:30:59 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: IronJack
Yes ---it's not just men and it's not just women. Men used to be gentlemen, women used to be ladies but society has broken down.
20 posted on 04/13/2002 6:18:20 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: IronJack
Little girls are just as vicious by nature as little boys

You are on to something there. I just got through making note of this to a friend who gloated about the fact that she had daughters and she was glad because boys were so mean. I have one of each and I told her while boys can be physically manipulative, hitting and kicking when angry(my toddler son to a tee), girls are emotionally manipulative and mean(I just witnessed this on the playground with some girls my daughter was playing with!). The difference I think is emotional manipulation is acceptable in this feminized society and is not as easily "seen", where physical manipulation is quite obvious and now seen as unacceptable so boys get dumped on for it. Truth is that both of these tendencies to evil need to be riegned in and children taught discipline and self control, unfortunately, it's becoming evident that we are letting girls, and eventually grown women, nurture that side of themselves that has a tendency towards mean spiritidness and manipulation, while completely and totally emasculating our sons for doing the same thing in a different way. There needs to be that old balance where boys can learn self control, but still stay vibrant and healthy in how they physically relate to the world and girls can learn self control, but still learn to use thier emotional assets for good purposes and not for manipulation and emotional blackmail. That's a very simple explanation, but it's what I have noticed from not only my two, but other things I have witnessed and read about children and those who observed them.

64 posted on 04/16/2002 11:41:02 AM PDT by glory
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