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To: Travis mcgee; snow bunny; Enemy Of The State;68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub;; JohnHuang2;rightwing2...
Ping!
To: Enemy Of The State
They're traitors.
To: Enemy Of The State
Dang...that old saying "Politics makes strange bedfellows"...In this instance, I'm hoping Byrd succeeds on the Amnesty Bill. (At least my Rep voted NAY last evening.)
5 posted on
03/13/2002 3:33:03 AM PST by
TomGuy
To: Enemy Of The State
Good job congress! We are still a melting pot!
To: Enemy Of The State
What message does this send to all who enter legally and go through the process legit?
To: Enemy Of The State
Bush is pushing Congress to pass a Section 245(i) extension before he goes to Mexico on March 22. Section 245(i) is rolling amnesty. Mexico is demanding amnesty as part of its goal of occupation and conquest of parts of America.
WHAT IS Section 245(i)? Section 245(i) would restore a provision allowing illegal aliens to pay the INS $1000 and remain in the country, subject to only a cursory U.S. police record check, before receiving green cards. If Section 245(i) is not revived, these illegal aliens will instead be required to return to their country of origin where their application for an immigration visa would be subject to a far more vigorous home country background investigation. The legal procedure for entering the U.S. involves a background check performed in the country of origin to ensure that the immigrant or visitor does not pose a security threat. These laws were put in place for the precise reason of protecting our homeland and preventing a national tragedy like September 11th. |
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 53
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)
H RES 365 2/3 YEA-AND-NAY 12-MAR-2002 6:58 PM QUESTION: On Motion to Suspend the Rules and Agree BILL TITLE: Providing for the concurrence by the House with amendments in the amendment of the Senate to H.R. 1885.
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YEAS |
NAYS |
PRES |
NV |
REPUBLICAN |
92 |
123 |
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6 |
DEMOCRATIC |
182 |
13 |
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16 |
INDEPENDENT |
1 |
1 |
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TOTALS |
275 |
137 |
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22 |
--- YEAS 275 ---
Abercrombie |
Hall (OH) |
Olver |
Ackerman |
Harman |
Osborne |
Allen |
Hart |
Ose |
Andrews |
Hastings (FL) |
Otter |
Armey |
Hastings (WA) |
Owens |
Baca |
Hill |
Oxley |
Baird |
Hinchey |
Pallone |
Baldacci |
Hobson |
Pascrell |
Baldwin |
Hoeffel |
Pastor |
Becerra |
Holden |
Paul |
Berkley |
Holt |
Payne |
Berman |
Honda |
Pelosi |
Berry |
Hooley |
Petri |
Biggert |
Houghton |
Phelps |
Bishop |
Hoyer |
Pomeroy |
Blumenauer |
Hyde |
Portman |
Boehlert |
Inslee |
Price (NC) |
Boehner |
Israel |
Pryce (OH) |
Bonilla |
Issa |
Quinn |
Bonior |
Jackson (IL) |
Radanovich |
Bono |
Jefferson |
Rahall |
Borski |
John |
Rangel |
Boswell |
Johnson (CT) |
Regula |
Boucher |
Johnson (IL) |
Reyes |
Brady (PA) |
Johnson, E. B. |
Reynolds |
Brown (FL) |
Jones (OH) |
Rivers |
Brown (OH) |
Kanjorski |
Rodriguez |
Buyer |
Kelly |
Roemer |
Calvert |
Kennedy (MN) |
Rogers (KY) |
Cannon |
Kennedy (RI) |
Ros-Lehtinen |
Capps |
Kildee |
Ross |
Capuano |
Kilpatrick |
Rothman |
Cardin |
Kind (WI) |
Roybal-Allard |
Carson (OK) |
King (NY) |
Rush |
Castle |
Kirk |
Ryan (WI) |
Chabot |
Kleczka |
Sabo |
Clay |
Knollenberg |
Sanchez |
Clayton |
Kolbe |
Sanders |
Clyburn |
Kucinich |
Sandlin |
Condit |
LaFalce |
Sawyer |
Conyers |
Lampson |
Schakowsky |
Costello |
Langevin |
Schiff |
Cox |
Lantos |
Scott |
Coyne |
Larsen (WA) |
Sensenbrenner |
Cramer |
Larson (CT) |
Serrano |
Crowley |
Latham |
Shaw |
Cummings |
LaTourette |
Shays |
Cunningham |
Leach |
Sherman |
Davis (CA) |
Lee |
Simmons |
Davis (FL) |
Levin |
Simpson |
Davis, Tom |
Lewis (CA) |
Skeen |
DeFazio |
Lewis (GA) |
Skelton |
DeGette |
Lofgren |
Slaughter |
Delahunt |
Lucas (KY) |
Smith (NJ) |
DeLauro |
Luther |
Smith (TX) |
DeLay |
Lynch |
Smith (WA) |
Deutsch |
Maloney (CT) |
Snyder |
Diaz-Balart |
Maloney (NY) |
Solis |
Dicks |
Markey |
Souder |
Dingell |
Mascara |
Spratt |
Doggett |
Matheson |
Stark |
Dooley |
Matsui |
Stenholm |
Doyle |
McCarthy (MO) |
Strickland |
Dreier |
McCarthy (NY) |
Sununu |
Dunn |
McCollum |
Tanner |
Edwards |
McDermott |
Tauscher |
Ehlers |
McGovern |
Tauzin |
Ehrlich |
McHugh |
Terry |
Engel |
McIntyre |
Thomas |
English |
McKeon |
Thompson (CA) |
Etheridge |
McKinney |
Thornberry |
Evans |
McNulty |
Tiahrt |
Farr |
Meehan |
Tiberi |
Fattah |
Meek (FL) |
Tierney |
Filner |
Meeks (NY) |
Towns |
Fletcher |
Menendez |
Turner |
Foley |
Millender-McDonald |
Udall (CO) |
Ford |
Miller, George |
Udall (NM) |
Fossella |
Mink |
Velazquez |
Frank |
Mollohan |
Walsh |
Frost |
Moore |
Waters |
Gephardt |
Moran (VA) |
Watkins (OK) |
Gibbons |
Morella |
Watson (CA) |
Gilchrest |
Murtha |
Watt (NC) |
Gillmor |
Nadler |
Watts (OK) |
Gilman |
Napolitano |
Waxman |
Gonzalez |
Nethercutt |
Weller |
Goss |
Ney |
Wilson (NM) |
Green (TX) |
Northup |
Woolsey |
Green (WI) |
Nussle |
Wu |
Grucci |
Oberstar |
Wynn |
Gutierrez |
Obey |
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--- NAYS 137 ---
Aderholt |
Goodlatte |
Pitts |
Akin |
Gordon |
Platts |
Bachus |
Graham |
Pombo |
Baker |
Granger |
Putnam |
Ballenger |
Graves |
Ramstad |
Barcia |
Greenwood |
Rehberg |
Barr |
Gutknecht |
Riley |
Bartlett |
Hall (TX) |
Rogers (MI) |
Bass |
Hansen |
Rohrabacher |
Bereuter |
Hayes |
Roukema |
Bilirakis |
Hayworth |
Royce |
Blunt |
Hefley |
Ryun (KS) |
Boozman |
Herger |
Saxton |
Boyd |
Hilliard |
Schaffer |
Brady (TX) |
Hoekstra |
Schrock |
Brown (SC) |
Horn |
Sessions |
Bryant |
Hostettler |
Shadegg |
Burr |
Hulshof |
Sherwood |
Callahan |
Hunter |
Shimkus |
Camp |
Isakson |
Shows |
Cantor |
Istook |
Shuster |
Capito |
Jenkins |
Smith (MI) |
Chambliss |
Jones (NC) |
Stearns |
Clement |
Kaptur |
Stump |
Coble |
Keller |
Stupak |
Collins |
Kerns |
Sullivan |
Combest |
Kingston |
Tancredo |
Cooksey |
LaHood |
Taylor (MS) |
Crane |
Lewis (KY) |
Taylor (NC) |
Crenshaw |
Linder |
Thune |
Cubin |
LoBiondo |
Thurman |
Culberson |
Lucas (OK) |
Toomey |
Davis, Jo Ann |
Manzullo |
Upton |
Deal |
McCrery |
Visclosky |
DeMint |
McInnis |
Vitter |
Duncan |
Mica |
Walden |
Emerson |
Miller, Dan |
Wamp |
Everett |
Miller, Gary |
Weldon (FL) |
Ferguson |
Miller, Jeff |
Weldon (PA) |
Flake |
Moran (KS) |
Whitfield |
Forbes |
Myrick |
Wicker |
Frelinghuysen |
Norwood |
Wilson (SC) |
Gallegly |
Pence |
Wolf |
Ganske |
Peterson (MN) |
Young (AK) |
Gekas |
Peterson (PA) |
Young (FL) |
Goode |
Pickering |
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--- NOT VOTING 22 ---
Barrett |
Eshoo |
Ortiz |
Barton |
Hilleary |
Sweeney |
Bentsen |
Hinojosa |
Thompson (MS) |
Blagojevich |
Jackson-Lee (TX) |
Traficant |
Burton |
Johnson, Sam |
Weiner |
Carson (IN) |
Lipinski |
Wexler |
Davis (IL) |
Lowey |
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Doolittle |
Neal |
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To: Enemy Of The State
Folks this is a pure and simple business deal. We are short workers to support the baby boom 's retirement programs. Mexico, being Catholic has 70 million people under age 30. We've aborted about 40 million since 1973. It's purely and simply an issue of "you can't have your cake and eat it too". NOT to do this will cost the Western Hemisphere more in terms of the consequent social unrest on both countries than doing it.
68 posted on
03/13/2002 4:27:47 AM PST by
mo
To: Enemy Of The State
Do not forget this between now and November! E-mail or write your Congress Critter and tell 'em what you think, and that you'll vote against them in November if they voted against you last night. My rep voted NAY on this criminal bill, so he'll be getting a thank you e-mail from me today. It's time to jerk chains, folks.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
79 posted on
03/13/2002 4:33:42 AM PST by
wku man
To: Enemy Of The State
Face it, we're being screwed by both parties. I vowed over a month ago to never support another Demopub or Republicrat and I won't.
To: Enemy Of The State
Congratulations to Clinton and Gore.
To: Enemy Of The State
Bush Party Motto...
The Rule of Law:
We Pretend Louder
To: Enemy Of The State
<Prediction> In the Presidential election of 2004 a third party candidate will run under a platform of anti-illegal immigration, most likely choice will be Pat Buchanan. Thirty to fifty percent (conservative guess here) of both the Republican and Democratic party's voters will vote for this third party candidate (Might have been impossible pre 9-11, but talk to the people on the street now and see what kind of reaction you get). The end result, we will see our First(?) Third party President. The war on terrorism will not be paramount in voters minds because they will assume the next President will take up the gauntlet or face a massive outcry from the American People. This mid-term election cycle and the next will see a shakeup of people in both the House and Senate. Maybe not so much a shift in parties but a shift from a Yea voter on 245(I) to someone else.
</Prediction>
On another note, I will make it my crusade to see that the elected officials in my district, and any other district that I can, who voted Yea on 245(I) are not reelected. I will make sure to pass the word around about a candidates vote on this matter. The politicians may not think this little vote will come back to haunt them, but boy are they in for a rude awakening. America and Americans should always come before ANYONE else.
To: Enemy Of The State
"It is not right to let families be victimized by, if you will pardon the expression, bureaucratic indifference or incompetence," Armey said. "That is not right and we don't believe that is the way it should be."And here we see the extent to which even Republicans will lie when it comes to illegal aliens.
First, there is nothing in this bill which improves the operations of the INS, which is a completely overworked, underfunded, and (as a result) broken organization. The bill simply dumps another 600,000 illegal aliens into the dysfunctional INS, thereby hurting each and every legal immigrant who is in the system legally and by extreme and tedious effort.
Second, families are "victimized" (to quote Armey) because one or more members of the "family" are in the United States illegally. This is literally saying that the families of criminals are "victimized" because our judicial system exercises "bureaucratic indifference" by exercising the law.
118 posted on
03/13/2002 5:45:14 AM PST by
angkor
To: Enemy Of The State
What a sad joke. Essentially, "We know you broke the laws and side-stepped the process that all other immigrants who enter the U.S. legally need to abide by. Because of your uncanny ability to circumvent the system, we will reward you and spit in the face of those dumb enough to actually go through the process."
One of the arguments of the proponents is that if the illegals were returned to their own countries, they would probably not be granted Visas. Might that be a good reason to set the example? If you're not willing to jump through the hoops, you will be sent back and suffer the consequences.
To: Enemy Of The State
This is why I will not vote for Bush in the next election - he panders to the latino vote, but forgets about his conservative base. Bush is a one-world globalist, when he should be an American first. I despise globalists, the U.N., or any other org. that seeks to destroy the U.S. Constitution - and make no mistake - that is what they must do to usher in globalism, and the process is well underway. This conservative will vote for the Constitution Party next election. They are the only ones that that really want to follow the Constitution. Bush is not a true conservative - he backed Riordan, a flaming liberal in every respect, in the California Primary! Bush had better go after the Latino vote because many of us middle-aged conservative white guys won't vote for him.
To: Enemy Of The State
Already posted, with 400+ comments last night...
To: Enemy Of The State
I am just appalled by this. No one is a bigger supporter of the President than I am, but I am very angry with him for this one.
To: Enemy Of The State, sonofliberty2, goldstategop
Well, after reading this article, the bill attached as it is to the Border Security bill is not as bad as it sounded since it extends 245i for only 8 and one half months. However, I am still hoping Senate President pro-tem Byrd kills it because when you give away a little principle here and a little there, eventually you end up losing it all including our free constitutional republic. We conservatives are all too well familiar with this game.
To: Enemy Of The State
One word - Strategery!
I've held off judgement on this until more facts were revealed and now it appears that the bill is really the 'Border Security Bill', not the 'Amnesty Bill' the left would like us to believe. Yet another example of how the left and the media are trying to discourage/divide the conservative base. Yet another example of how we should be comforted that the new administration is really looking out for the interests of our nation and does not deserve the kneejerk rush to judgement/criticism it receives from many self proclaimed conservatives here. The only thing the left really got out of this was an brief extension of a (Clinton) policy that was already in place. And that policy actually helps us further define who the deserving immigrants are from the non-deserving. I don't like sending messages that circumventing the law has it's rewards, but this actually appears to be a winning proposition. Of course, if the Senate kills it, then the conservatives win as well.
Strategery!
To: Enemy Of The State
"It is not right to let families be victimized by, if you will pardon the expression, bureaucratic indifference or incompetence," Armey said. "That is not right and we don't believe that is the way it should be." ah sheesh.... that warm and fuzzy feely thing again...
The immigration portion of the bill would extend a deadline for giving **hundreds of thousands** of illegal immigrants the chance to apply for residency without leaving the United States. Many of those immigrants are here on work visas that have expired, but they did not leave the country, officials said. **WHO is going to TRACK these people?
A reinstated program would only apply to illegal immigrants who can prove they are spouses or relatives of U.S. citizens, legal residents or employees sponsored by employers before Aug. 14. Question: How much time will they be given to provide proof? Answer: enough time to blend in, disappear, and contaminate our water supply.
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