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Evolution challenged in US schools
BBC News ^ | 3/11/02 | Mark Duff

Posted on 03/11/2002 6:14:13 AM PST by areafiftyone


A new theory says the world had a "designer"

Religious campaigners in the United States are to challenge the way evolution is taught in American schools in a debate likely to reignite arguments over the origins of life.

Supporters of a theory called Intelligent Design want the concept added to the school science curriculum in the state of Ohio, alongside Darwin's theory of evolution.

The discussion is being seen as the biggest public test yet of the new theory.

Even the president has cast his opinion on the matter of science versus religion.

During his election campaign, George W Bush made the following assertion.

"On the issue of evolution," he said, "the verdict is still out on how God created the Earth."

To secular listeners familiar with Mr Bush, this may have sounded like a gaffe.

It probably wasn't.

More likely, it reflected a deeply held belief among many fundamentalist Christians in the United States that unquestioning adherence to the theory of evolution has too often been used as an argument against the existence of God.

Divine plan


Religionists doubt Darwin's theory of evolution

In the past, those same Christians have tried to get the Biblical explanation of creation taught as scientific fact.

What is being discussed in Ohio isn't a simple return to Creationism - as a literal belief in the Bible story is called.

Intelligent Design accepts that the universe is indeed very old.

But it argues that the diversity and complexity of life suggests that an "intelligent designer" has been at work.

What its supporters want, they say, is the right to challenge Darwin's theory scientifically.

Their critics argue that what it is really about is finding a backdoor way of getting Creationism into America's schools.

Even before the dust settles on the discussion, it has already shown just how deeply-ingrained the religious sentiment is in the world's most powerful and technologically advanced nation.

For many Americans, religion is still a keenly felt reality.


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1 posted on 03/11/2002 6:14:13 AM PST by areafiftyone
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To: areafiftyone
God is going to strike these people dead.
2 posted on 03/11/2002 6:22:23 AM PST by Vladiator
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To: areafiftyone
It is really a battle between two religions and, so far, the government has been supporting the religion of Darwinism.
3 posted on 03/11/2002 6:32:07 AM PST by edger
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To: Vladiator
God is going to strike these people dead.

Wouldn't that be an unfair punishment?

4 posted on 03/11/2002 6:45:11 AM PST by Lev
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To: edger
I don't agree that its a battle of two religions. The scientific evidence clearly points to intelligent design. Evolution is not supported, either by the fossil record or laboratory evidence.
5 posted on 03/11/2002 6:55:22 AM PST by rrr51
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To: areafiftyone
Yeah, I say we include the story of Utnapishtin, or how about the Dogon Tribe's theories?
6 posted on 03/11/2002 6:55:25 AM PST by Paradox
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To: Vladiator
God is going to strike these people dead.

"There I was, just walking down the street,
minding my own business, while Jesus was
waiting around the corner with a crowbar."

God strikes everybody dead, dewd.

7 posted on 03/11/2002 6:55:26 AM PST by gcruse
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To: rrr51
The scientific evidence clearly points to intelligent design.

If the elephant stands on a turtle, what does the tutle stand on?
8 posted on 03/11/2002 7:04:39 AM PST by BikerNYC
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To: gcruse
You're so cool. Can I be like you?
10 posted on 03/11/2002 8:33:13 AM PST by Exnihilo
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To: Vaderetro; jennyp; junior; longshadow; radioastronomer; scully; thinkplease
A sample of the famous "list-o-links" (so the creationists don't get to start each new thread from ground zero).

01: Site that debunks virtually all of creationism's fallacies. Excellent resource.
02: Creation "Science" Debunked.
03: Creationi sm and Pseudo Science. Familiar cartoon then lots of links.
04: The SKEPTIC annotated bibliography. Amazingly great meta-site!
05: The Evidence for Human Evolution. For the "no evidence" crowd.
06: Massive mega-site with thousands of links on evolution, creationism, young earth, etc..
07: Another amazing site full of links debunking creationism.
08: Creationism and Pseudo Science. Great cartoon!
09: Glenn R. Morton's site about creationism's fallacies. Another jennyp contribution.
11: Is Evolution Science?. Successful PREDICTIONS of evolution (Moonman62).
12: Five Major Misconceptions about Evolution. On point and well-written.
13: Frequently Asked But Never Answered Questions. A creationist nightmare!
14: DARWIN, FULL TEXT OF HIS WRITINGS. The original ee-voe-lou-shunist.

The foregoing was just a tiny sample. So that everyone will have access to the accumulated "Creationism vs. Evolution" threads which have previously appeared on FreeRepublic, plus links to hundreds of sites with a vast amount of information on this topic, here's Junior's massive work, available for all to review:
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 16].

11 posted on 03/11/2002 12:03:11 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: all
FYI: There is another article here at FoxNews.com which covers this same topic.
12 posted on 03/11/2002 12:26:04 PM PST by Condorman
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To: areafiftyone
If anyone's wondering what that marvellously detailed dinosaur fossil is, it's Scipionyx, the answer to "What's the proof that dinosaurs even had guts?"
13 posted on 03/11/2002 12:28:46 PM PST by VadeRetro
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To: edger
Evolution is a theory, not a religion. Calling it one streches the boundaries of both science and religion so far that they simply cease to make sense.
14 posted on 03/11/2002 12:31:53 PM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: areafiftyone;VadeRetro
A fairly accurate story from the BBC. Weird.

Thank you Vade, for your quick captioning. Very cool.

15 posted on 03/11/2002 12:36:12 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: areafiftyone
Can someone outline for me what the ID course is going to cover. What exactly are the facts which are going to be taught, seeing as ID spans the gamut from literal Genesis creationism (i.e young earth, no evolution whatsoever) to the stuff in Behe's book, which accepts evolution and common descent after a certain point in the development of the cell and various biochemical pathways and structures. What's it going to say about subjects like biogeography which are pretty well explained by evolution and plate tectonics? Why did the "Designer" (seeing how he's anonymous in this class), presumably omnipotent and omniscient, create the earth 4.5 billion years before sticking man onto it? Is it going to intertwine with all the other biological disciplines as impressively as evolution does?
16 posted on 03/11/2002 1:06:28 PM PST by Youngblood
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To: rrr51
The scientific evidence clearly points to intelligent design. Evolution is not supported, either by the fossil record or laboratory evidence.

Uh, it is only with respect to (alleged) instances of "irreducible complexity" and/or "specified complexity" (and on the questionable assumption that such states cannot originate by an evolutionary process) that ID'ers claim ID can be inferred. Even if ID were validated as a fruitful scientific approach, how would that not still leave plenty of room for evolution? For example, given an ape, no new structures of "irreducible" or "specified" complexity are needed to generate a human being. Humans is basically made of ape parts.

Suppose maybe you are just an old fashioned fiat creationist "apeing" the latest fancy terminology?

17 posted on 03/11/2002 1:07:37 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Youngblood
Can someone outline for me what the ID course is going to cover. What exactly are the facts which are going to be taught, seeing as ID spans the gamut from literal Genesis creationism (i.e young earth, no evolution whatsoever) to the stuff in Behe's book, which accepts evolution and common descent after a certain point in the development of the cell and various biochemical pathways and structures.

Excellent points. Howard Van Till, an evangelical evolutionary theist from Calvin College, hammered this repeatedly on the college's Evolution Echo. He claims that the theory is misnamed, as it studiously avoids saying anything AT ALL about the subject of "design," whether we ask, how, who, when, why, or where. I can't remember what he suggested it be called instead, but it was something like "non-natural origination".

18 posted on 03/11/2002 1:19:35 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Youngblood
Can someone outline for me what the ID course is going to cover.

Chapter 1: Darwin was a fink.
Chapter 2: Hitler was a "Darwinist."
Chapter 3: There is no evidence for evolution.
Chapter 4: Evolution is stupid.
Chapter 5: Evolution requires faith (which is really stupid)
Chapter 6: ID doesn't conflict with scripture.

19 posted on 03/11/2002 1:29:00 PM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: areafiftyone
Intelligent Design accepts that the universe is indeed very old.

I can't see this going down well with the fundamentalists. Or is this battle going to left for another day?

Geology, watch out! You're next! Especially that evil Wegener fellow!

20 posted on 03/11/2002 1:47:02 PM PST by Youngblood
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