I did not know this, but I take your point well. What bothers me most I guess in these discussion is the outright dismissal of the purely scientific point of view and the evidences which accomadates such views. It frustrastes me even more when I see highly intellegent people outright dismiss evidences of a written text which has yet to be found unreliable and has only ever lead to a credence to VERIFY such evidentuary claims.
There is no difference when it comes to FAITH. It is at the point in which from the observable evidence a hypothesisize(sp?)has to be made. It takes an educated guess, but to believe in your THEORY you MUST have FAITH.
From these discussions, I get the impression that faith gives you something akin to psychiatric delusions. I'm not real big on faith. The evidence I see daily of its effects does not speak well of it.
Would you please be more specific so I may understand exactly what you mean. I know of some MAD EVOLUTIONARY SCIENTIST (As well as Faith Healers) who have had Phychiatric Delusions and have plenty of faith in their hypothesis!
sirchtruth: Would you please be more specific so I may understand exactly what you mean.
Nothing personal. I haven't talked to you much. I meant:
1) The people who cannot see the evidence they just demanded be presented,
2) The people who cannot remember what you spent ten posts telling them yesterday,
3) The people who can and do spin any evidence as "proof of creation," but still demand evidence for evolution,
4) The people (Let's call them "broomstick demanders," as in "Bring me the broomstick of the Wicked Witch of the South-South-South-West-West!") who simply raise the bar or make yet another demand when you give them exactly what they said would be convincing evidence.
5) The people who hide behind jaw-dropping illogic,
6) The people who argue semantic distinctions as real,
7) The people who argue from convenience or adverse consequences when discussing historical matters,
8) The people (call them "Holy Warriors") who cannot concede even the most obvious error because it would be showing weakness to the dreaded enemy, the Satan-worshipping Evo. (There's a current case running around who is the poster boy for this problem, but he isn't the first or the second.)
Those are the details, but what I notice in general is that no evidence or argument ever budges a creationist. Which is funny, because the case is beyond open-and-shut that some kind of evolutionary process happens. You can quibble about gaps and this mechanism versus that one, but the idea that it didn't happen at all is beyond absurd.
But when you buy the delusion, you can claim the evidence is faked. Piltdown Man was a fraud, after all. You have the right to bait your opponent. He's a tool of Satan, after all. The Ten Commandments are just the rules for conduct toward the Chosen Tribe, you can do anything to the Heathen. After all, the Heathen is out to get you. It's war, man!